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Re:Thousands of deadly U.S. military airstrikes have gone un... by dcposch on Wednesday February 08, 2017 @06:08AM (#13597378)
He's not making a humble, leftish point about our moral failures in foreign policy!

He was shrugging off the use of murder as a political tool.

America may be in a bad place right now, and we've done a lot of awful things in other people's countries. But unlike Russia, we are not at a point where our leaders simply "disappear" domestic political opponents and journalists. Things can get a lot worse.

Trump was expressing admiration for Putin. The reporter incredulously reminded him that Putin has personally had his opponents killed (Litvenenko, etc).

Trump basically said "whatever, nbd, we do bad stuff too".

I predict ugly surprises.

Re:Thousands of deadly U.S. military airstrikes have gone un... by Ntrails on Wednesday February 08, 2017 @06:54AM (#13597580)
> He's not making a humble, leftish point about our moral failures in foreign policy!

How is that point leftish in any way? The left are not defined by the idea that there is a moral good and a moral bad, and they want the moral good. Left good Right bad is one of the most infuriating assertions to see casually chucked into a sentence.

You're right, of course, that he wasn't trying to suggest that America should pay for it's sins or change it's attitude/foreign policy. I happily acknowledge that you think it's worse to murder high profile people in your own country compared to, say, exploding nobodies in a foreign one. I'll at least argue that the president being honest about them both being murder is pretty refreshing

Re:Thousands of deadly U.S. military airstrikes have gone un... by dcposch on Wednesday February 08, 2017 @09:01AM (#13598197)
> Left good Right bad is one of the most infuriating assertions to see casually chucked into a sentence.

i didnt say that.

it just happens that in American politics, admitting that our foreign policy has been amoral is something done almost exclusively by the left.

writers like noam chomsky, glenn greenwald, jeremy scahill. politicians like tulsi gabbard. etc.

that's why i called it a "leftish point"

politicians on the right, even when they favor less foreign intervention, tend to justify it in terms of cost savings, constitutional limits, and smaller government. rand paul, for example.

Re:Thousands of deadly U.S. military airstrikes have gone un... by aedron on Wednesday February 08, 2017 @08:33AM (#13598027)
> we are not at a point where our leaders simply "disappear" domestic political opponents and journalists

Nice how you snuck "domestic" in there, as if that makes it so much better.

Re:Thousands of deadly U.S. military airstrikes have gone un... by anon2264 on Wednesday February 08, 2017 @08:21AM (#13597964)
Surely things can get worse, but if the dead could speak, Gary Webb and Michael Hastings would want to have a word with you.
Re:Thousands of deadly U.S. military airstrikes have gone un... by Mikeb85 on Wednesday February 08, 2017 @11:16AM (#13599368)
> He's not making a humble, leftish point about our moral failures in foreign policy!

Morality doesn't exist along the left-right spectrum. Also, this is simply your perception.

> But unlike Russia, we are not at a point where our leaders simply "disappear" domestic political opponents and journalists.

No, they magically commit suicide, get killed in a car crash, or get murdered in a botched robbery.

Re:Thousands of deadly U.S. military airstrikes have gone un... by seppin on Wednesday February 08, 2017 @03:21PM (#13601664)
> No, they magically commit suicide, get killed in a car crash, or get murdered in a botched robbery.

In the west, name one.

Re:Thousands of deadly U.S. military airstrikes have gone un... by Mikeb85 on Thursday February 09, 2017 @01:31PM (#13609481)
Google is your friend. Many US politicians (a surprising number really) have been killed. Of course, most have 'explanations' that are officially accidents. The government isn't going to admit to political assassinations, so for you to ask for 'proof' is an impossible task. Then again, there's 'explanations' for most deaths in Russia too. The real question is whether you believe that the US government only tells the truth and only the Russian one lies.

Of course, we know the US government lies about a lot, that's how we know about CIA actions to overthrow governments, the Iran-Contra affair, etc... We know the US government engages in assassinations abroad, whether it's a covert action or via drone.

To think that none of the politicians who are killed in plane crashes, gym accidents, car accidents or have heart attacks were expedited along is naïve.

Re:Thousands of deadly U.S. military airstrikes have gone un... by seppin on Thursday February 09, 2017 @02:00PM (#13609766)
> so for you to ask for 'proof' is an impossible task

lol you are a excellent troll. "My unverifiable claims are just as true as yours are." No, there is a Russian opposition leader in a coma right now and you can't point to a single western journalist or politician suffering the same fate.

> We know the US government engages in assassinations abroad, whether it's a covert action or via drone.

Whataboutism, changing the subject, etc. I hope you are entertaining yourself b/c there is no other value to this thread.

Re:Thousands of deadly U.S. military airstrikes have gone un... by Mikeb85 on Thursday February 09, 2017 @02:10PM (#13609863)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinated_American_...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Congress...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/10/prominent-politicians-k...

> No, there is a Russian opposition leader in a coma right now

Which one? I mean, they call Navalny an opposition 'leader' even though he's never led a political party or held office, so odds are it's some random protester or blogger.