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Re:Taxi Medallion Prices Are Plummeting, Endangering Loans by empath75 on Monday January 30, 2017 @07:52PM (#13526524)
I think cities should reimburse cabbies if they aren't going to enforce quota restrictions on Uber, etc.
Re:Taxi Medallion Prices Are Plummeting, Endangering Loans by jonknee on Monday January 30, 2017 @08:10PM (#13526619)
Well the city wasn't the one that sold them for so much money, it was the aftermarket that drove them up (because essentially no new ones are being issued).

A refund wouldn't do much and in general if you buy an asset that decreases in value you have only yourself to blame. Medallion owners are no more special than anyone else.

Re:Taxi Medallion Prices Are Plummeting, Endangering Loans by ams6110 on Monday January 30, 2017 @08:52PM (#13526819)
I bet if you followed the money you'd find some very wealthy city councilmen or bureaucrats who were in charge of determining how many medallions to issue.
Re:Taxi Medallion Prices Are Plummeting, Endangering Loans by lovehashbrowns on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @12:03AM (#13527830)
And I bet if a reimbursement program were put into place, most of it would mysteriously not go to the cabbies themselves.
Re:Taxi Medallion Prices Are Plummeting, Endangering Loans by smileysteve on Monday January 30, 2017 @11:25PM (#13527596)
Some cities auction them...
Re:Taxi Medallion Prices Are Plummeting, Endangering Loans by xapata on Monday January 30, 2017 @07:58PM (#13526562)
Because it's not right for the banks to lose money on a loan?

If someone invests in a taxi medallion, why are they more worthy of aid than someone who invests in a restaurant?

Re:Taxi Medallion Prices Are Plummeting, Endangering Loans by wmf on Monday January 30, 2017 @08:20PM (#13526663)
If someone invests in a restaurant that has a government-granted monopoly and then the government rescinds that monopoly they may have cause for complaint. Or maybe they should have just priced in the risk of a disruptive black swan event.
Re:Taxi Medallion Prices Are Plummeting, Endangering Loans by bermanoid on Monday January 30, 2017 @08:57PM (#13526836)
Betting on a government-granted monopoly is still a bet. Just as if I bought stock in a company that thrives because it has a patent that may or may not be overturned on appeal, or a monopoly that might be smashed due to an anti-trust action.

Investments often result in money lost, that's life - as someone that's been in the market for decades now, yes, I do think it's on you to be aware that black swan bubbles exist, and you'll get wiped out if you're all-in on one when it pops.

If you can't handle the risk of your investment going to zero, hold low-yield bonds, cash, or gold.

Re:Taxi Medallion Prices Are Plummeting, Endangering Loans by chillacy on Monday January 30, 2017 @08:23PM (#13526681)
I think all investments should have risk, and if the government bails people out then there's all upside and no downside, why wouldn't banks exploit that financially to the extreme?

I think it might be desirable to take out insurance on the asset though as a buyer. It could be an interesting market too.

Re:Taxi Medallion Prices Are Plummeting, Endangering Loans by throwaw181ay on Monday January 30, 2017 @09:52PM (#13527128)
Banks hardly lose money on loans, they have an infinite capacity to go after delinquents. Try to default on your loan and see what happens to you. You'll be a slave of the bank for the rest of your life.

Of course, individuals bear no such power. So please don't use banks as an example.

Re:Taxi Medallion Prices Are Plummeting, Endangering Loans by the_watcher on Monday January 30, 2017 @10:08PM (#13527200)
> Try to default on your loan and see what happens to you. You'll be a slave of the bank for the rest of your life.

Bankruptcy exists almost entirely to offer protection against this exact scenario playing out.

Re:Taxi Medallion Prices Are Plummeting, Endangering Loans by Johnny555 on Monday January 30, 2017 @10:28PM (#13527306)
As long as the debt in question is not a student loan, which usually survive the bankruptcy.
Re:Taxi Medallion Prices Are Plummeting, Endangering Loans by pmiller2 on Monday January 30, 2017 @11:05PM (#13527469)
"Usually" is quite correct. You basically have to prove there would be no hope of being able to pay it back without severe financial hardship, and the bar for hardship is fairly high. Even when some student debt is discharged in bankruptcy, it's often a partial discharge.
Re:Taxi Medallion Prices Are Plummeting, Endangering Loans by xapata on Monday January 30, 2017 @10:50PM (#13527408)
On the contrary, banks have departments dedicated to estimating the amount they will lose from bad loans. It's expected.
Re:Taxi Medallion Prices Are Plummeting, Endangering Loans by valuearb on Monday January 30, 2017 @11:01PM (#13527454)
Now we have to pay more taxes to reimburse monopolists who gouged us for decades because they can't gouge us any more?

Pretty sure this will be a Trump executive order soon.

Re:Taxi Medallion Prices Are Plummeting, Endangering Loans by mirimir on Monday January 30, 2017 @08:40PM (#13526763)
The drivers can work for Uber, and arguably earn as much as they did before. It's the medallion owners who are out of luck.
Re:Taxi Medallion Prices Are Plummeting, Endangering Loans by hackuser on Monday January 30, 2017 @09:14PM (#13526928)
> The drivers can work for Uber, and arguably earn as much as they did before.

That's not my understanding. I've read that they earn less, and drivers I talk to say it's hard to make money. Also remember that Uber drivers are contractors and get no benefits or other employee protections. Uber does place plenty of stories and op-eds saying otherwise, but I need to see some actual data.

Re:Taxi Medallion Prices Are Plummeting, Endangering Loans by the_watcher on Monday January 30, 2017 @10:11PM (#13527206)
Many cabbies are also independent contractors and thus get none of the benefits Uber and Lyft are assailed for not providing. It's not always the case, but it's not exactly unheard of.
Re:Taxi Medallion Prices Are Plummeting, Endangering Loans by mirimir on Monday January 30, 2017 @10:01PM (#13527173)
Yes, data would be best. Maybe it's hard to make money as an Uber driver. But driving cab is not such a great job either.
Re:Taxi Medallion Prices Are Plummeting, Endangering Loans by hackuser on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @08:43PM (#13537403)
> driving cab is not such a great job either

Many things are 'not ... great', but some of them are much better than others. Homelessness isn't great, neither is a low-wage job and public housing, neither is a decent paying job with an awful boss, neither is being a graduate TA at MIT for an awful professor - but some of those are clearly better than others.

The drivers I've spoken to mostly thought that Uber's entrance into the market had hurt their incomes significantly. Of course, that's hardly a representative sample.