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Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by 1_2__3 on Monday January 30, 2017 @11:32AM (#13522553)
San Francisco isn't Silicon Valley. It has never been the center of the tech world, and to whatever extent it's tech-heavy now that's less than 20 years old. These pictures act like SF was churning out silicon and code starting in the 1980s (based on the age of the pictures) which isn't even close to true or accurate.

Even during the last dot com bust it was mostly just marketing companies in sf - all the tech was south of Menlo Park.

I actually really hate that people try to retcpn SF into this visionary of technology and futurism. Almost all of that was and remains in the South Bay, as much as SF startup peeps hate to admit it.

Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by kozikow on Monday January 30, 2017 @11:48AM (#13522707)
> San Francisco isn't Silicon Valley. It has never been the center of the tech world, and to whatever extent it's tech-heavy now that's less than 20 years old.

I moved to Mountain View to found a startup a few months ago. When I think about the "chat over coffee" type of meetings go, I would say that there may be slightly more of them in San Francisco than South Bay.

It feels like San Francisco starts to outweigh Silicon Valley. I didn't do precise calculation, but estimation based on my gut feelings would say that ratio of "Seed stage" startups between SF and South bay is 2/1.

Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by 1_2__3 on Monday January 30, 2017 @12:58PM (#13523434)
Long-term companies in the south bay that have no (or virtually no) SF tech presence. Just off the top of my head: Google/Alphabet, Facebook, Oracle, Texas Instruments, National Semiconductor, Intel, AMD, Applied Materials, Apple, Yahoo, Tesla, Palantir, and so on and so on.

Yes there are lots of kids in SF trying to get their website turned into the next unicorn. That does not make SF the "center of the tech world", it makes it the "center of the SF tech startup world".

Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by azinman2 on Monday January 30, 2017 @01:28PM (#13523714)
I don't know about the rest, but google has a large office in SF and many, many people wanting positions in it (even if just a few days a week).
Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by ng12 on Monday January 30, 2017 @01:45PM (#13523869)
Most people who "work" in the SF office commute to MTV 3x/week. It's more of a coworking space than an office.
Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by azinman2 on Monday January 30, 2017 @03:32PM (#13524730)
There are dedicated teams that are only there, and/or parts of teams that are full time only there. I was on one, for example, and knew of others.
Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by bluejekyll on Monday January 30, 2017 @01:28PM (#13523716)
Google has a large office space just down the street here in SF. Yahoo has/had a huge office in SF. Then on top of that, there are ton of buses going from SF down the peninsula, which recognizes that choice of many to live in SF.
Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by blueski on Monday January 30, 2017 @02:32PM (#13524250)
Unless you count the hundreds of engineers and multiple offices Google has in SF.
Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by explainthisth on Monday January 30, 2017 @01:00PM (#13523452)
I know people at the first two companies who work in SF. Not sure about the rest of the list.
Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by gumby on Monday January 30, 2017 @12:20PM (#13523048)
> ratio of "Seed stage" startups between SF and South bay is 2/1.

The density of tech startups in SF is much lower, more like New York. Most of them are just retail companies (shops) or food services. Yes, Pinterest, uber, lift, twitter have serious tech problems to solve involving scale, but companies like that are in the minority. And businesses where people develop new technologies are more common in the Valley.

Living in the city and commuting to the Valley was already the norm when I got here in the early 80s.

Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by bluejekyll on Monday January 30, 2017 @01:39PM (#13523812)
Let me add to that list for you (in no particular order), Optimizely, Salesforce.com, Heroku, Medium, Square, Docker, CoreOS, AirBNB, OpenTable, Yelp, Mesosphere, Instacart, a whole bunch of drone startups and many more...
Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by gumby on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @11:37AM (#13532136)
Well sure but you're making my point. Silicon Valley has non-tech businesses too like Survey Monkey which is about as high tech as Yelp, i.e. not much higher tech than a Cheesecake Factory (who has a lot of computerized supply chain).

The point isn't to have a pissing match. I'm simply pointing out that the heavyweight tech region is the San Francisco Bay area but within it the tech influence is unevenly distributed which should hardly be remarkable.

It's easier to find marketing, PR, non-B2B sales folks, web designers, ruby developers etc in SF than down here. It's way easier to find people down here who understand interrupt latency on 32-bit arm cores, oddities of device physics below .14 nm, B2B BD folks and the like. Does one diminish the other? No.

Reporters from outside of course go to SF to report because, frankly, what's to see in Palo Alto? I have lived in Palo Alto for decades and yes, apart from the work (which is awesome) it's dull compared to SF, or even to many places lamer than SF.

Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by nostrademons on Monday January 30, 2017 @12:52PM (#13523379)
I think part of the point is that tech startups aren't founded upon chats over coffee, they're founded by a couple guys working on a project nobody else thinks is important in a garage. Completely anecdotally, that still seems to happen more often in the South Bay than in SF, if only because there are more garages. There are probably more startups being founded in SF, but there's more tech being developed in the South Bay.
Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by sbov on Monday January 30, 2017 @12:49PM (#13523343)
This is very common on this forum. Bay Area = SF. In any given topic about the "Bay Area" you can tell they are usually talking about SF, and use very sloppy language and often randomly switch between the two names, sometimes in the same sentence.
Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by tossaway1 on Monday January 30, 2017 @02:04PM (#13524045)
That's because people outside the bay area don't care about the distinction. People don't generally differentiate between Boston and Cambridge either. Is that sloppy? I'd say it's just understood that references to a city are often, maybe usually, referring to the surrounding region as well.
Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by mhurron on Monday January 30, 2017 @11:40AM (#13522628)
> These pictures act like SF was churning out silicon and code starting in the 1980s (based on the age of the pictures)

Looking at the cars I would guess most of those pictures are somewhere in the 40's/50's.

Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by frik on Monday January 30, 2017 @11:54AM (#13522765)
> 1980s (based on the age of the pictures)

What? The pictures are clearly older, from 1950-1960s(maybe early 1970s) timeframe. Certainly not 1980s. Look at the cars, the fashion clothes.

Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by djrogers on Monday January 30, 2017 @12:14PM (#13522991)
Which makes the GP's point - picture from the 80's and 90's would be "before" photos as well.
Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by ZanyProgrammer on Monday January 30, 2017 @11:59AM (#13522825)
The center might be 40 miles south, but a lot of those programmers (esp founders, execs and senior engineers) sure love to live in SF proper.
Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by DrScump on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @04:45AM (#13529140)
People "love to live in SF" because it's currently trendy to live in S.F., especially if you're a newcomer.

You generally don't find many people living outside those 17 square miles pining to move there. Its unique amenities (real and perceived) are easy enough to drive or Caltrain or BART to.

Then again, I'm perplexed that tech companies feel so driven to base so many of their employees in the Bay Area at all. They could save 20%+ on compensation to employees combined with providing them a better standard of living (and more family-friendly as well) by opening workplace options in Beaverton, Bothell, Boulder or Boise.

Plus, those employees would be a bit less immediately accessible for an SV competitor to dangle something shiny in front of.

Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by kkylin on Monday January 30, 2017 @12:36PM (#13523200)
South Bay has changed a lot too. Even when my family moved there in the late 70s / early 80s, there were still a few orchards left here and there. Almost all condos and town houses now. (Wish I have some pictures to share...)
Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by ZanyProgrammer on Monday January 30, 2017 @12:56PM (#13523412)
I'd love to go back in time to circa 1980 and drive down ECR from Palo Alto to downtown San Jose.

Back when there were blue collar jobs in Santa Clara County.

Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by kkylin on Monday January 30, 2017 @06:12PM (#13525970)
Not sure this is what you meant by "blue collar," but I was just thinking this morning about driving by the NeXT logo in Fremont, the stretch of Mission connecting 680 to 880. I believe they actually built the cube there, but I could be wrong. (I'm sure someone reading this can confirm or deny that.) Not sure if anyone still assembles computers in the Bay Area anymore.
Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by twblalock on Monday January 30, 2017 @01:56PM (#13523972)
> Back when there were blue collar jobs in Santa Clara County.

There still are.

If you don't think there are blue-collar jobs in Santa Clara county, please explain why restaurants, stores, construction companies, plumbing companies, etc. are able to exist.

Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by ZanyProgrammer on Monday January 30, 2017 @02:27PM (#13524212)
I was thinking more of the businesses here that no longer exist. http://wx4.org/to/foam/sp/spins/spins_san_jose_opt.pdf

Not so much the churn of retail that most large cities (suburban sprawls in this case) have.

Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by stormbrew on Monday January 30, 2017 @11:50AM (#13522724)
I would suggest that it's just a misunderstanding of "San Francisco" vs. the "San Francisco Bay Area," but then I'd expect pictures of other bay area places.

I'm not even really sure what these pictures are trying to say, anyways. I don't live in SF, but I've been there a lot, and these pictures don't look much more different from current reality than most large cities between mid-20th century and early 21st. If anything, it may be distinctly less different looking than most.

Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by kafkaesq on Monday January 30, 2017 @01:33PM (#13523760)
San Francisco isn't Silicon Valley.

But it's definitely part of it, now. It got annexed a long time ago.

Re:Photographs Taken of San Francisco Before It Became the C... by 010a on Monday January 30, 2017 @02:05PM (#13524049)
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