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Re:Make America Hate Again by te_chris on Monday January 30, 2017 @05:02AM (#13519811)
Just saw this got momentarily flagged into oblivion. The dark forces seem to be gathering.

I applaud this effort by leaders in our community to stand up and not just let this awful bigotry slide by.

Re:Make America Hate Again by cperciva on Monday January 30, 2017 @05:07AM (#13519836)
I vouched it and it went back onto the front page, but it got promptly flagged away again. :-(
Re:Make America Hate Again by metafunctor on Monday January 30, 2017 @05:10AM (#13519847)
Yep. Sadly, it seems HN may be getting overrun by Trump apologists.

Where's the next good place to be after HN gets gaslighted to not knowing the meaning of words?

Re:Make America Hate Again by gonvaled on Monday January 30, 2017 @10:54AM (#13522156)
I flagged it for two reasons:

1) Internal american politics: other political issues are promptly flagged, while UK and USA political issues fare better. I do not accept that.

2) Lots of citizens (and others) in the USA are up in arms about this, while the real suffering that the USA is causing around the world (read "killing innocent civilians") does not get noticed anymore. You seem to be outraged about this because it is a new policy which makes the USA look bad, but you do not seem to be outraged in the same way by long standing policies practiced by all US presidents which are actually having a worse impact in the world. Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize on his second day on office and did not even close Guantanamo ffs.

Re:Make America Hate Again by grzm on Monday January 30, 2017 @07:25PM (#13526373)
Sadly, it seems HN may be getting overrun by Trump apologists.

The HN community is pretty diverse, including both members who support Trump and those who don't. That diversity is important, because, among other things, I don't think any of us are accurately and wholly described by a single test, ideological or otherwise.

While you might very strongly disagree with members on a particular issue or issues, it's important to remain civil and respectful, even more so on contentious issues.

Re:Make America Hate Again by justinlaster on Monday January 30, 2017 @09:51AM (#13521582)
I called this out a few months ago, and got told by a moderator to not employ conspiracy theories.

Yet, week by week, I watch as brand new accounts show up on these types of posts to spout the same short-sighted, toxic talking points that always get vomited out by Trump supporters. They don't say anything related to technology, they always tend to comment on political posts. I've been watching a few accounts and there has been no change in behavior.

This is not a left vs right issue. A lot of these people forgo basic philosophical principles about knowledge, and seem to shun any use of logic and reason (part of the reason you will not get anywhere by engaging them, they simply don't care).

Re:Make America Hate Again by willstrafach on Monday January 30, 2017 @01:25PM (#13523691)
> Yet, week by week, I watch as brand new accounts show up on these types of posts to spout the same short-sighted, toxic talking points that always get vomited out by Trump supporters.

I have noticed this as well and did not mention until recently, thought I was overthinking it. Good to see some others noticing this.

Re:Make America Hate Again by analbeads on Monday January 30, 2017 @07:20PM (#13526330)
I cannot imagine how thick of a bubble one would have to be living in for HN to seem like it is "overrun by Trump apologists"
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Re:Make America Hate Again by tqwcs on Monday January 30, 2017 @08:27AM (#13520920)
So we all have to wait 4 years to complain about Trump?

We can't try to do what we can to stop his policies now? I remember the Republicans trying to stop Obama for 8 years.

Re:Make America Hate Again by akjainaj on Monday January 30, 2017 @08:30AM (#13520941)
You can do whatever you want about Trump, I simply had enough of reading about it on Hacker News. These articles are not of my interest, and I don't think so many of them belong in this site, so I flag them because I don't want to see any more of them here.

I am not speaking for the rest of people who flagged them, of course. Just for myself.

Re:Make America Hate Again by mikeash on Monday January 30, 2017 @09:18AM (#13521326)
Complaining about it is part of dealing with it. If we can mount enough public pressure, maybe we can get this madman impeached before he does something irreversible.
Re:Make America Hate Again by akjainaj on Monday January 30, 2017 @09:24AM (#13521368)
The only way he's getting impeached is if he does something illegal. Taking into account how the spotlight is on him 24/7, I'm sure he won't do anything dumb that could get him impeached.

I like Pence much better than Trump, but nope, that's not going to happen.

Re:Make America Hate Again by mikeash on Monday January 30, 2017 @09:37AM (#13521482)
There are good arguments that he already has. But ultimately, it doesn't matter. Although technically speaking he needs to break the law to be impeached, in practice you just need a majority of the House to impeach, and two thirds of the Senate to convict. If Congress doesn't want to remove the President, it doesn't matter what laws he breaks. If Congress does want to remove him, then they'll find some legal excuse to justify it. There's no official oversight of the process, nobody to say "no, that crime didn't happen" or "that crime doesn't qualify for impeachment."
Re:Make America Hate Again by Avshalom on Monday January 30, 2017 @09:49AM (#13521560)
Well currently the Administration and CPB is defying federal court ruling against the ban.
Re:Make America Hate Again by hueving on Monday January 30, 2017 @05:30AM (#13519934)
>gaslighted

Let's not use that term here. It's just an appeal to ridicule dressed up as something meaningful.

Re:Make America Hate Again by metafunctor on Monday January 30, 2017 @05:38AM (#13519976)
No attempt to ridicule here, just an attempt to convey a concept in one word.

Gaslighting, I think, means a kind of manipulation where seeds of doubt are gradually sown, questioning the targets' perception and sanity.

I still think it's a great word to use if someone tries to claim that banning entire countries and their citizens is not racist.

Re:Make America Hate Again by hueving on Monday January 30, 2017 @05:53AM (#13520038)
Yes, and labeling behavior as that concept is an appeal to ridicule. You are classifying something you disagree with as something designed to mess with your perception of reality rather than actually intellectually engaging it.

>banning entire countries and their citizens is not racist

Because it's not in most cases (unless a particular race only comes from that set of banned countries). It's xenophobic. Please use the correct terms if you are going to level such strong accusations to such large numbers of people you don't seem to have any understanding of.

Re:Make America Hate Again by grzm on Monday January 30, 2017 @07:34PM (#13526411)
With respect to the word racist and its usage, I think we're in the midst of watching it expand its meaning. I'm not sure what to think about it, given that I both strive to use words carefully and precisely, while also understanding that language changes and attempts to control it can prove ultimately (frustratingly?) futile. I'd hate for that to be one more thing that gets in the way of effective communication, particularly on difficult issues like this.

After all, the point is ultimately to communicate: if we let strict adherence to a single definition of a word from getting in the way of understanding. Better to just ask what meaning is being used if necessary, while perhaps lamenting the loss in precision in silence.

Re:Make America Hate Again by flukus on Monday January 30, 2017 @07:45PM (#13526487)
Racist seems to be expanding and contracting. The whole "you can't be racist against white people" thing has been gaining traction lately. It's quickly becoming a word devoid of all meaning.
Re:Make America Hate Again by grzm on Monday January 30, 2017 @07:48PM (#13526501)
That's a separate issue in finding common ground as to what amounts to negative discrimination. I'm definitely not interested in litigating this one.
Re:Make America Hate Again by selllikesybok on Monday January 30, 2017 @08:52AM (#13521122)
Racist xenophobia, to be extra accurate.
Re:Make America Hate Again by drusepth on Monday January 30, 2017 @08:29AM (#13520938)
I flagged because it accomplishes nothing but open up yet another venue for people on both sides to argue and complain. It doesn't make any argument to change, or suggest solutions, or otherwise advocate civil discourse other than "Yeah, I agree!" or "Yeah, I disagree!"
Re:Make America Hate Again by te_chris on Monday January 30, 2017 @10:22AM (#13521845)
That seems like a very selfish (and petty) response. You can just ignore it, you know.
Re:Make America Hate Again by drusepth on Monday January 30, 2017 @10:49AM (#13522104)
The purpose of flagging is to indicate that a story does not belong on HN. I think I've explained why I feel this is particularly a low-quality submission, and flagged accordingly.

I don't see how you can think that is selfish or petty, unless you think having yet another thread to just complain in is actually helping anyone.

Either way, I don't want to get into an argument here (obviously), so I'll pop out of this thread now and leave my flag behind. If people want to vouch it out, that's fine too.

Re:Make America Hate Again by grzm on Monday January 30, 2017 @10:25AM (#13521883)
Dark forces seem to be gathering? There's been plenty of political discussion on HN over the past couple of days. HN, a site which is explicitly not for extensive political discussion. A lot of members are flagging because they're exhausted by the number of political articles.
Re:Make America Hate Again by mjmsmith on Monday January 30, 2017 @05:14AM (#13519859)
Yep, I've been watching it bouncing in and out for the last 20 minutes or so.
Re:Make America Hate Again by TorKlingberg on Monday January 30, 2017 @05:06AM (#13519832)
It keeps getting flagged and vouched back and forth.
Re:Make America Hate Again by zzleeper on Monday January 30, 2017 @08:26AM (#13520916)
There is a very aggressive set of users that keep flagging politics here. At this point I don't know if they are Trump supporters, or if they just hate anything but tech on HN.
Re:Make America Hate Again by grzm on Monday January 30, 2017 @10:31AM (#13521949)
if they just hate anything but tech on HN.

There have been plenty of political submissions on HN over the past couple of days. There's been plenty of political discussion on HN over the past couple of days. If people are starting to flag political submissions, it may be because there's a limit of how many political submissions there should be. There's a meaningful difference between "anything but tech" (which is a straw man, anyway, as there are plenty of other submissions that aren't tech yet aren't politics) and having so many political submissions and subsequent discussions that end up covering the same ground without any meaningful discourse.