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Re:'Shimmers' are the newest tool for stealing credit card info by bluedino on Saturday January 28, 2017 @05:48PM (#13510004)
They have the new readers but they don't use them
Re:'Shimmers' are the newest tool for stealing credit card info by cpncrunch on Saturday January 28, 2017 @06:02PM (#13510092)
Notable the article is from Canada. Here in Canada virtually all retailers have been using chip+pin for a good number of years now. The same in the UK, where they have been using it for over 10 years. Retailers have to use chip+pin to avoid fraud liability.

In the USA, however, a lot of retailers were still using signatures up until a year or two. It seems to be only in the last year that retailers are starting to move to chip+pin. I think it is simply the large number of credit card terminals, and the cost of upgrading them all.

Re:'Shimmers' are the newest tool for stealing credit card info by hibikir on Saturday January 28, 2017 @07:15PM (#13510641)
They are not moving to chip and pin, but chip and signature: very different.

Now, the internet being a bigger share of retail every year, chip and pin is not an improvement: what we need is 2FA across the board. You have my CC number? Great. Without my 2FA secret, you won't be able to charge me anyway.

This 2FA beats a pin, and would make payment fraud so much smaller, it'd become a minor thing, but good luck finding a bank in the US offering such feature for all charges.

Re:'Shimmers' are the newest tool for stealing credit card info by cpncrunch on Saturday January 28, 2017 @08:32PM (#13511117)
>They are not moving to chip and pin, but chip and signature: very different.

No, that's not quite true. They are moving to chip+pin, but some card issuers are not currently issuing PINs. However the machines themselves fully support chip+pin (and I can confirm this, as most places in the USA now require me to enter a PIN for my card).

http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/emv-faq-chip-car...

Re:'Shimmers' are the newest tool for stealing credit card info by drewg123 on Saturday January 28, 2017 @09:26PM (#13511458)
And even if you want a PIN for your card, the credit card company doesn't know how to give it to you. Last summer, before I went to a conference in Canada, I called all 3 of my credit cards's customer service departments trying to get a PIN (American Express, Discover, MasterCard), and none of them would issue a PIN for my chip'ed card. I don't think any of the CSRs even knew what I was talking about. One even told me that PIN's were "just for debit cards". Sigh.
Re:'Shimmers' are the newest tool for stealing credit card info by kevin_thibedeau on Saturday January 28, 2017 @10:14PM (#13511722)
I use a debit card with a pin and some retailers still do a signature transaction for me without any choice.
Re:'Shimmers' are the newest tool for stealing credit card info by Symbiote on Sunday January 29, 2017 @09:19AM (#13514203)
Some European banks implement that second factor, although most commonly using an SMS or phone call.

Mine only does it when the transaction is large, or unusual. I get a call asking me to confirm the transaction. Maybe they ask some other information, I can't remember.

Re:'Shimmers' are the newest tool for stealing credit card info by aianus on Sunday January 29, 2017 @11:10AM (#13514760)
That sounds awful, how would I use my card when I'm traveling abroad if it's trying to send SMS's to my home SIM card?
Re:'Shimmers' are the newest tool for stealing credit card info by Symbiote on Sunday January 29, 2017 @04:20PM (#13516740)
I've only had it happen for over-the-phone purchases, and when using a debit card to transfer about £5000 via TransferWise.

I haven't been to the USA for a while, and most other countries have a working (not new) Chip+PIN system, but I assume magstripe transactions would be considered higher risk too.

Re:'Shimmers' are the newest tool for stealing credit card info by sangnoir on Sunday January 29, 2017 @02:27PM (#13516049)
It's been easy for me - I call my bank ahead of time and tell them where I'll be going,the duration of my stay and my number while I'm there. They usually ask for a backup number just in case I'm not reachable.
Re:'Shimmers' are the newest tool for stealing credit card info by aianus on Sunday January 29, 2017 @04:05PM (#13516644)
How do you know your number while you're there before you get there and buy a local SIM?