Time to Take a Stand

Re:Time to Take a Stand by gizmo on Saturday January 28, 2017 @02:24PM (#13508315)

Minorities on average earn less, have less job security and despite this they utterly rejected Trump and his hateful platform. Trump voters also weren't the most economically desperate, those people voted Clinton. Trump did well among solidly middle class white people in rural areas.

So no, Trump didn't get elected because people desperate for a job were willing to overlook his hate.

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Re:Time to Take a Stand by strken on Saturday January 28, 2017 @04:01PM (#13509270)

So no, Trump didn't get elected because people desperate for a job were willing to overlook his hate.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/e...

Check out the swings in the race section. If there hadn't been a massive swing towards him from blacks and hispanics, he might not have won.

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Re:Time to Take a Stand by gizmo on Saturday January 28, 2017 @06:45PM (#13510429)

Obama was an unusually charismatic candidate who got 93% of the Black vote in 2012 and 96% in 2008. There is no way Hillary or any other democratic candidate could match that. Hispanic turnout did turn out a bit below expectations, but not by much. Note that Hillary got completely crushed in the "White w/o college degree" category, which is a much larger demographic.

And despite that Hillary still won the popular vote by 3 million votes. She did pretty well across the board and in an election as close as this one almost any single thing could have flipped the outcome.

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Re:Time to Take a Stand by oh_sigh on Saturday January 28, 2017 @08:04PM (#13510938)

Interesting that you attribute Obama getting 93/96% of the black vote to his...charisma. Yes, I'm sure that was it.

> There is no way Hillary or any other democratic candidate could match that.

So, black people vote for a "charismatic" candidate, but when they are left with a mediocre candidate and a candidate that (as is argued) hates them, they decide "Hey, the guy that hates me is better than someone who isn't so charismatic"?

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Re:Time to Take a Stand by einarvollset on Saturday January 28, 2017 @02:33PM (#13508427)

Data does not support your opinion (yes I know Latinos is only one minority): https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-probably-did-bett...

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Re:Time to Take a Stand by gizmo on Saturday January 28, 2017 @02:44PM (#13508528)

What point are you making here? That you can find a subset within a minority demographic that voted for Trump? If so, that proves nothing.

Just look at the graphs here:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trump...

White people elected Trump, minorities rejected him. Fact.

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Re:Time to Take a Stand by ErikVandeWater on Saturday January 28, 2017 @04:39PM (#13509547)

Minorities always reject republicans. The argument is whether Trump did better with minorities given he is a republican.

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Re:Time to Take a Stand by maxerickson on Saturday January 28, 2017 @02:41PM (#13508504)

65 percent Clinton to 29 percent Trump is a pretty strong margin regardless of how it compares to the previous election.

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Re:Time to Take a Stand by anigbrowl on Saturday January 28, 2017 @02:55PM (#13508658)

Yes it does. The fact that Trump did slightly better than Romney doesn't alter the fact that he still lost big with that demographic.

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Re:Time to Take a Stand by googlryas on Saturday January 28, 2017 @03:45PM (#13509134)

Yes, but it brings into question the 'hateful rhetoric' narrative, when it appears that minorities did not perceive it as such(at least, based on how they voted). If minorities viewed Trumps statements as dangerous to them, wouldn't you expect fewer minorities to vote for Trump than, say, Romney?

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Re:Time to Take a Stand by dragonwriter on Saturday January 28, 2017 @03:49PM (#13509179)

> If minorities viewed Trumps statements as dangerous to them, wouldn't you expect fewer minorities to vote for Trump than, say, Romney?

Not necessarily if they also viewed Clinton far less favorably than Obama; support of one party by any group in one election vs. another isn't a sign of absolute support for that party's candidate, it's a sign of relative support of that candidate compared to the alternative.

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Re:Time to Take a Stand by googlryas on Saturday January 28, 2017 @03:52PM (#13509198)

So...just because Clinton isn't as great as Obama, that leads minorities to vote for someone who "obviously hates them"(as per the anti-Trump narrative goes)?

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Re:Time to Take a Stand by cpursley on Saturday January 28, 2017 @05:16PM (#13509792)

> Minorities on average earn less

Tell that to Asian Americans:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_U...

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