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Re:Time to Take a Stand by burkaman on Saturday January 28, 2017 @02:00PM (#13508070)
In case anyone is still skeptical that this is really a Muslim ban and not just a blanket ban on refugees and immigrants, note that Trump has said he will give priority to Christian refugees: http://www1.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2017/01/27/brody-fi...
Re:Time to Take a Stand by facetube on Saturday January 28, 2017 @02:03PM (#13508089)
On the Christian Broadcasting Network no less. This is morally repugnant.
Re:Time to Take a Stand by patrickg_zill on Saturday January 28, 2017 @02:09PM (#13508138)
Yet we never heard from you during the years the Obama administration did the opposite... Syria is over 10% Christian, yet only 56 of the ~10K Syrians let into the country were Christian.
Re:Time to Take a Stand by burkaman on Saturday January 28, 2017 @02:16PM (#13508216)
1. Obama is no longer president, this is not a particularly relevant point.

2. We did hear about it, Ted Cruz could not stop talking about it.

3. Refugees are referred to the US by the UNHCR. If their referrals don't reflect the demographics of Syria, that's not something we can directly or easily change.

4. Christians are 10% of Syria, but it's not clear that they would be 10% of refugees. I couldn't immediately find any statistics on that.

Re:Time to Take a Stand by ebola1717 on Saturday January 28, 2017 @02:15PM (#13508202)
It took 2 seconds of googling to fact check you http://www.factcheck.org/2015/11/facts-about-the-syrian-refu...
Re:Time to Take a Stand by deno on Saturday January 28, 2017 @02:37PM (#13508462)
Your source doesn’t dispute the accuracy of this number at all:

> Cruz is rounding up, but he is correct about the percentage of Christians among the Syrian refugees who have resettled in the United States.

> A total of 2,290 Syrian refugees have arrived in the United States since fiscal year 2011, which is when the Syrian civil war began, through Nov. 20, according to the State Department’s Refugee Processing Center. Of those, only 62 were identified in the center’s database as Christian. That’s 2.7 percent, even though the Christian population in Syria is about 10 percent, according to the CIA World Factbook.

All it says is that the UN stacked the pool, and Obama never challenged it.

Re:Time to Take a Stand by gns24 on Saturday January 28, 2017 @03:23PM (#13508943)
Or maybe the areas where most Christians live were less affected by the war?
Re:Time to Take a Stand by facetube on Saturday January 28, 2017 @03:32PM (#13509010)
Re:Time to Take a Stand by patrickg_zill on Saturday January 28, 2017 @02:36PM (#13508452)
How could a stat from 11/2015 possibly cover anything that only concluded in 2016?

Is Newsweek part of the Trump train? http://www.newsweek.com/us-bars-christian-not-muslim-refugee... (mid-Sept 2016).

Re:Time to Take a Stand by megous on Saturday January 28, 2017 @02:19PM (#13508252)
Misleading statistic. Compare the distribution of people who asked to immigrate, not the population of the whole country.
Re:Time to Take a Stand by refurb on Saturday January 28, 2017 @02:34PM (#13508436)
Yet Christians are specifically being targeted in Syria.[1] Wouldn't you think they would be the first ones who want to leave?

[1]https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/26/magazine/is-this-the-end-...

By the way, this article is from one of your reputable news sources.

Re:Time to Take a Stand by zardeh on Saturday January 28, 2017 @02:59PM (#13508705)
But would they be more likely to be refugees?

That is, I'd expect that a Christian in the middle east would be more likely to have citizenship or family in a western nation than your average Syrian.

Now it could be, but 'they are being specifically targeted' doesn't immediately imply to me that 'they should be a disproportionately high number of refugees'.

That story mentions Bishops and priests who are very likely to not be Syrian Citizens, and instead be capable of just flying back to their home countries.

Re:Time to Take a Stand by refurb on Saturday January 28, 2017 @03:43PM (#13509113)
That is, I'd expect that a Christian in the middle east would be more likely to have citizenship or family in a western nation than your average Syrian.

Why would you assume that? These are Syrian Christians who have lived their for centuries. They are no different than other Syrians other than their religious beliefs.

Re:Time to Take a Stand by zardeh on Saturday January 28, 2017 @06:12PM (#13510155)
>That story mentions Bishops and priests who are very likely to not be Syrian Citizens, and instead be capable of just flying back to their home countries.

I'm by no means saying that every Christian will be more capable of leaving, or not be a citizen. But if 30% of Christians are citizens elsewhere, and only 3% of Muslims, then you have 70% of 10% of the poopulation as potential Christian refugees, and 97% of 90% of the population as Muslim refugees, which would make 7.4% of asylum seekers Christian, as opposed to 10% of the population.

Re:Time to Take a Stand by kgwgk on Saturday January 28, 2017 @03:55PM (#13509224)
Christians have been living there since the times of St Peter, of course the vast majority of them are Syrian citizens.
Re:Time to Take a Stand by facetube on Saturday January 28, 2017 @02:54PM (#13508640)
You'll be happy to know that coalition forces have retaken the city of Qaraqosh, referenced in your 2015 article: http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/19/middleeast/mosul-isis-operatio...
Re:Time to Take a Stand by facetube on Saturday January 28, 2017 @02:11PM (#13508158)
Heard from who? This is a major, major problem with political discourse in America right now. We are acting reflexively. We are engaging in collective punishment. We are making unproven assumptions.
Re:Time to Take a Stand by becarefulyo on Saturday January 28, 2017 @04:26PM (#13509467)
Irrelevant troll.
Re:Time to Take a Stand by artursapek on Saturday January 28, 2017 @02:23PM (#13508306)
I was talking about this last night with my wife and she mentioned she saw some statistic showing Christians were, until now, de-prioritized and actually given refugee status at a disproportionately low rate compared to their population in the ME. I don't have a source, but thought this might be useful to bring up. It sounded like this was why he did that.
Re:Time to Take a Stand by refurb on Saturday January 28, 2017 @02:33PM (#13508425)
Christians are being specifically persecuted in some Muslim countries, particularly in those areas under the control of ISIS.

Shouldn't we prioritize people who are the victims of religious persecution.

Re:Time to Take a Stand by burkaman on Saturday January 28, 2017 @04:54PM (#13509643)
Yes we should, and Muslim refugees are also victims of religious persecution. Unfortunately, Trump's order says we only care about your persecution if you're in the religious minority in your country.
Re:Time to Take a Stand by refurb on Saturday January 28, 2017 @05:46PM (#13509991)
But this type of vetting is used all the time. Refugees that come to the US (and other countries, including my own, Canada), examine refugee claims using very similar methods.

If you are a minority (religious, ethnic, political) that is used as evidence of persecution and helps your claim for refugee status.

Re:Time to Take a Stand by ejstronge on Saturday January 28, 2017 @02:55PM (#13508652)
What's the statistic? The only data I have seen do not support systematic discrimination against Christians:'

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/27/key-facts-ab...

One should be very careful in ascribing rational motivations to things the Trump administration does - even his rhetoric (vague allusions to the attacks of September 11, 2001) isn't borne out by the executive order. He did not ban immigrants from a single one of the countries of origin of the 19 attackers.

Re:Time to Take a Stand by artursapek on Saturday January 28, 2017 @03:09PM (#13508810)
> He did not ban immigrants from a single one of the countries of origin of the 19 attackers.

I found this interesting as well

Re:Time to Take a Stand by burkaman on Saturday January 28, 2017 @02:29PM (#13508372)
He said this because demonizing Muslims got him elected. If he were only considered about the alegged de-prioritization of Christians, he would say "we will no longer de-prioritize Christians".

If Christians were de-prioritized, it was done by the UNHCR, not the US. And there is no direct evidence suggesting this happened, the fact that 10% of Syria is Christian does not mean 10% of the refugees would be.

Re:Time to Take a Stand by smackfu on Saturday January 28, 2017 @04:01PM (#13509271)
A statistic that someone else saw does seem like the kind of rationale that Trump uses.
Re:Time to Take a Stand by bassman9000 on Saturday January 28, 2017 @02:53PM (#13508631)
Irrelevant. The text of the order is what matters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/us/politics/refugee-musli...

Yeah, he's doing a shitty job communicating it, but what did you expect...

> (b) Upon the resumption of USRAP admissions, the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, is further directed to make changes, to the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality.

> (e) Notwithstanding the temporary suspension imposed pursuant to subsection (a) of this section, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may jointly determine to admit individuals to the United States as refugees on a case-by-case basis, in their discretion, but only so long as they determine that the admission of such individuals as refugees is in the national interest — including when the person is a religious minority in his country of nationality facing religious persecution, when admitting the person would enable the United States to conform its conduct to a preexisting international agreement, or when the person is already in transit and denying admission would cause undue hardship — and it would not pose a risk to the security or welfare of the United States.

Re:Time to Take a Stand by burkaman on Saturday January 28, 2017 @03:16PM (#13508888)
It's not irrelevant. Why do you insist on looking at this is a vacuum? He's made hundreds of public statements about this. He already told us what he wants to do.

> Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-...

This is what he wants, this is what his supporters want. He's not doing a shitty job of communicating at all, he's being very clear and upfront.

As to your specific quotes, the vast majority of refugees from these countries are in the (Muslim) religious majority.

Re:Time to Take a Stand by Macha on Saturday January 28, 2017 @03:18PM (#13508901)
> to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality.

Which religion is the majority in all of these countries?

Re:Time to Take a Stand by axon on Saturday January 28, 2017 @04:44PM (#13509575)
The religious minority is a nice grey line drawn. Do you consider subsets of major religions separate religions themselves?

A terrorist could claim they are a minority to get priority... the prejudice is apparent.