Exaclty. Two of his biggest campaign promises were to build a wall to keep out Mexicans and to ban Muslims immigrants and refugees. The wall was one of his earliest campaign promises. I find it amazing that we're supposed to believe that the majority of Trump voters don't support at least one of these.

Note, this is far broader than the refugee ban initially discussed. The ban truly is a Muslim ban. See quote from Reuters -- it bans permanent residents (i.e. greencard holders.) Note that permanent residents have to pay taxes even if living overseas!

"It will bar green card holders," Gillian Christensen, acting Department of Homeland Security spokeswoman, said in an email.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-gree...

Muslims, then GC holders. Very soon, certain group of citizens will suffer the same fate.

The prison walls are getting closer... By the time you're able to reach out and touch them, it'd be too late.

Well, that didnt take long. The definition is about to get broader, per WSJ:

In a statement that the State Department is due to release, which was reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, the 90-day visa moratorium extends beyond just citizens of Iraq, Iran, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Libya, and Yemen.

It also applies to people who originally hail from those countries but are traveling on a passport issued by any other nation, the statement notes. That means Iraqis seeking to enter the U.S. on a British passport, for instance, would be barred, according to a U.S. official...."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-visa-ban-also-applies-to-c...

Here's a non-paywall-ed version.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-visa-ban-also-applies...

Those nationals or dual nationals holding valid immigrant or nonimmigrant visas will not be permitted to enter the United States during this period. Visa interviews will generally not be scheduled for nationals of these countries during this period.

Huh. My next door neighbor is an American citizen, born in Iran. He left before the Shah was deposed. He owns a successful local company. Sounds like this would apply to him.

No wonder I haven't heard from them in a few months.

He's an American citizen so he can't be denied entry.

* As long as he is not a dual citizen.

That is very, very broad.

Quite. Historically, countries which build walls don't do so to keep people out, but to keep them in.

Too bad it doesn't ban individuals from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan (because if it was about islamism, it should)

Also, banning permanent residents is just ludicrous

It is a ban on people coming from certain countries. Religion isn't anyone in there.

It is specifically for Muslims. Notice there is a special provision inviting Christian refugees from Syria (albeit a token quantity just for show.)

> I find it amazing that we're supposed to believe that the majority of Trump voters don't support at least one of these.

I'm taking a guess at this one, but many people believed this was just the usual pre-election bla bla and that he wouldn't follow through with such an unreasonable idea, given the obvious financial (wall) and legal (Muslim ban) challenges. They only wanted someone who promised to listen to them again after decades of globalization left them behind, and got a monster as result.

What I'm really afraid of: given the horrendous stuff Trump has done in a week, what will he have done in the next 1450 days?

It bans some Muslim immigrants and refugees.

I don't recall seeing anything about Indonesians being affected, or Indians, or Nigerians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, etc.

This is just a practicality argument. The people best placed to stop Trump are members of Congress, they need votes to stay in office, so we need to convince their voters. "Holding people accountable" isn't productive.

Boycotts are so effective many places make them illegal.

How do you boycott 60 million random people? The statement was about voters, not companies or other organizations.

seems to me like the comment was obviously about other big decision-makers

would you want to lose your job because your boss said something they shouldnt have? or just something that ~50% of the population disagrees with?

because the companies you are thinking about boycotting very likely have ~50% of their employees who have similar political positions to you. you're hurting them too.

One of LL Bean's board members thinks they're Unamerican and bullying.

Here's what the current vice president said about banning Muslim immigrants last year.

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/825371208355020801

"Calls to ban Muslims from entering the US are offensive and unconstitutional".

Were people listening to that and hoping he'd reign in Trump? Was he lying when he said that?

Trump just spews a bunch of stuff, some of it contradicts things he said earlier.