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Re:My Next Mac Mini by nottorp on Saturday January 28, 2017 @09:14AM (#13506346)
Speaking of NUCs, are there any that are

(a) quiet at load

(b) have the PSU integrated in the case?

Those are about the only redeeming qualities of a Mac Mini right now, and it pisses me off to no end that no one bothers with (b) on the Wintel side.

Edit: please don't explain to me how a power brick that's sometimes as large as the NUC doesn't bother you, it does bother me.

Re:My Next Mac Mini by CydeWeys on Saturday January 28, 2017 @09:34AM (#13506443)
Unfortunately, your two desires are at cross purposes to each other. An external power brick helps keep a lot of heat out of the system, which allows you to run less cooling in the box, and thus be quieter.
Re:My Next Mac Mini by nottorp on Saturday January 28, 2017 @09:56AM (#13506540)
Yeah, except Apple manages to come close so it's possible :)

Give credit where credit is due.

Re:My Next Mac Mini by jmanderley on Saturday January 28, 2017 @11:15AM (#13507046)
The mac mini is much larger than an Intel NUC.
Re:My Next Mac Mini by CydeWeys on Saturday January 28, 2017 @01:00PM (#13507729)
There's two other factors that the Mac Mini doesn't do well on though: Performance (both per dollar and absolute), and size. Not having an external PSU is less important to me than both of those factors, and I'm sort of struggling to see how it could be considered more important.
Re:My Next Mac Mini by rwmj on Saturday January 28, 2017 @09:25AM (#13506399)
The Gigabyte Brix [edit: the base model] is fanless, and if you use an SSD it's completely solid state. I have two next to me right now and they are completely silent as you would expect.

However it has a small external power brick. It's only about 1/4 the size of the machine (at least that's for the UK PSU).

Re:My Next Mac Mini by windexh8er on Saturday January 28, 2017 @09:35AM (#13506446)
Considering there are tens of options in the Brix lines the comment about them being fanless is untrue. Most are actively cooled machines. None of the Brix or NUC I have are particularly loud. If you're doing heavy lifting on a small form factor machine you have to expect a small fan to generate noise to dissipate heat, there's really no way around it.
Re:My Next Mac Mini by rwmj on Saturday January 28, 2017 @09:45AM (#13506494)
I edited the comment to reflect the fact that the base model of the Gigabyte Brix -- which I have two of -- is fanless and passively cooled.
Re:My Next Mac Mini by arachnophobe on Saturday January 28, 2017 @09:32AM (#13506435)
I've used a gigabyte Brix n2807 - it's slightly larger than other Brix models as it takes a 2.5" drive (using an old laptop drive to save costs). It's not powerful, but it runs Kodi and Windows 10 okay. Wi-Fi and Bluetooth don't work (or didn't when I first tried) with Linux out of the box. Up to 8gb LPDDR. No power brick. £80 on offer a couple of years ago.
Re:My Next Mac Mini by arachnophobe on Saturday January 28, 2017 @09:35AM (#13506447)
Forgot to mention - fanless.
Re:My Next Mac Mini by nottorp on Saturday January 28, 2017 @10:40AM (#13506744)
Well, I've checked the current offerings and I can't find any that doesn't have "19 V DC" as the power supply description. I guess I'm statistically irrelevant in their market.
Re:My Next Mac Mini by arachnophobe on Saturday January 28, 2017 @11:48AM (#13507285)
Digging around behind the tv and it's a oversize plug and thin wire rather than a laptop style plug-cable-transformer-cable-computer set up. Not quite the mains-to-box set up you're after.
Re:My Next Mac Mini by nottorp on Saturday January 28, 2017 @01:17PM (#13507817)
:)

Getting further off topic, the only other piece of hardware I know of where they bother is the Playstation. The XBoxes use ugly power bricks, just like the Wintel boxes.

Re:My Next Mac Mini by my123 on Saturday January 28, 2017 @04:09PM (#13509349)
The Xbox One S has an integrated power supply fortunately
Re:My Next Mac Mini by ofcrpls on Saturday January 28, 2017 @11:08AM (#13506976)
I have a Skull Canyon Nuc and a Zotac EN1070 mini PC. The Zotac is quieter while gaming compared to the NUC and that surprised me.
Re:My Next Mac Mini by scott_karana on Saturday January 28, 2017 @07:35PM (#13510765)
Fan diameter is inversely proportional to speed, for the same volume of air movement.

Large, slow fans are much quieter (and easier on bearings!) than high RPM fans.

Re:My Next Mac Mini by xorcist on Sunday January 29, 2017 @06:25PM (#13517467)
There are great fanless systems. I use a HD-Plex case with a real i7 CPU (although a few generations old by now) as a workstation. It's dead silent and with an internal PSU. It's been very reliable so far.