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Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by terminado on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @06:43PM (#13476933)
Jesus christ. It's so hard to believe that's only from 2004.

I feel like that era transpired 40 years ago. The period of time before smartphones feels like it happened in the 1970's to me.

The difference between 2000 and 2015 is so absurdly radical it begs disbelief.

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by thesagan on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @08:30PM (#13477610)
Now that you put it that way, man... things have changed.

I can't help thinking about further back, too. Just imagine how it felt to live around the turn of last century! Planes, [newer] trains, and automobiles! Electricity, plumbing, underground subway transportation. Hygienic medicine. Vaccines. Telegraphs reaching out overseas and powering thousands of morning daily papers; becoming a commodity instead of luxury. Radical industry/political reforms, striking poverty, unimaginable wealth, obscene pollution. Women's suffrage. Radio, traveling circuses and vaudeville, mass consumerism, magazines, torpedos, and a world war. Oh my!

Looking through my great-grandfather's scrapbook (he lived outside Detroit) is absolutely mind-blowing. The stuff he (and especially his father) saw are hard to put into a continuous world. His letters describing the "number of autoes" he passed on the way to visit relatives bleeds giddiness and awe.

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by ChuckMcM on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @10:39PM (#13478250)
The really weird thing is how actual technology in movies from the 80's and 90's looks so much worse to people in 2017 than technology in moves from the 50's and 60's looked to people in the late 90's.
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by laurieg on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @01:04AM (#13479044)
Orville Wright (of the Wright brothers) went from developing early airplanes to seeing the development of international travel and the jet engine. He lived until 1948 and his last flight was in a Lockheed Constellation[1]

In computer science we are similarly privileged. We've gone from basic ideas of transistors and turing machines to having a global network of interconnected supercomputers in our pockets.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Constellation

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by ChuckMcM on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @02:19AM (#13479425)
I don't disagree, I'm just saying that there is a certain design ugliness that seems to be unique to turn of the century technology.
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by coldtea on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @07:28AM (#13480843)
>I'm just saying that there is a certain design ugliness that seems to be unique to turn of the century technology.

And I'm saying that this is highly subjective and/or controversial.

There are tons of beautiful 80s and 90s electronics devices.

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by ChuckMcM on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @01:03PM (#13484000)
Totally agree, it is hugely subjective.
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by bluecmd on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @02:01AM (#13479340)
Quite interesting that super-sonic flight was achieved 1946. I don't know if Orville was informed, but imagine that - from barely flying to supersonic in 40 years.
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by bencollier49 on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @06:59AM (#13480684)
There is an often-quoted truthoid that says that any technology takes 50 years from inception to maturity.
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by contravariant on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @07:06PM (#13487464)
Seems to work for big scientific theories as well, more or less. Although an alternative explanation is that after 50 or so most of the original group of people driving the development will be gone, and as a result you end up with several loosely connected but separate developments. Which isn't really a sign of maturity, but merely a lack of coherence.
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by benwad on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @05:38AM (#13480293)
23 more years and we were on the moon!
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by wfunction on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @01:27AM (#13479183)
> The really weird thing is how actual technology in movies from the 80's and 90's looks so much worse to people in 2017 than technology in moves from the 50's and 60's looked to people in the late 90's.

On the other hand though, I still feel like the analog computers they used back in the day are technologies from the future, not from the past.

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by buzzybee on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @02:05AM (#13479361)
I think I've been cured of this bias by seeing a lot of videos of analog modular synthesizers, which share the patch-cable programming techniques of analog computers. Analog systems can do some interesting things, and they have a nice physicality to them. The noise, instability, feedback, and imperfections in analog synthesis have an aesthetic appeal that has only matured with time. In ease of programming, though, simple imperative code feels like a huge release - you can actually follow the execution flow top to bottom, and the syntax makes it trivial to define many mathematical ideas.
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by taserian on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @11:55AM (#13483109)
For more on analog synthesizers and systems, the documentary "I Dream of Wires" is highly recommended, and available on Netflix streaming.
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by kgwgk on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @01:49AM (#13479285)
Does it? If that's the perception, it seems unwarranted to me.

Edit: I guess the point is that most of the tech products available at home in the 90's were completely absent in the 60's. There were ancient-looking telephones, TVs and radios but no old ancient-looking walkmans, cell phones, PCs, gameboys, VCRs, modems or web sites.

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by baby on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @08:44AM (#13481283)
I was in a flight yesterday and thought about that. Our generation is crazy, but then I've always taken flying for granted, I've flew airplanes all my life. I can't imagine how it must have been for people before me to discover these huge things that could transport you km away.
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by thesagan on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @01:00PM (#13483965)
I wonder if community was more central to life back then. With the world being so large I'd speculate/imagine that "place" and the people in that place were more unique. Maybe more intimate at times.
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by baby on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @03:28PM (#13485686)
I see what you mean, communication must have been so hard back then.
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by notahacker on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @08:11PM (#13477514)
I dunno, I thought part of Facebook's instant success was because, with the exception of wilfully-obtuse student columnists, most students instantly "got" it because they'd had some sort of internet profile and compulsively-updated statuses since their parents had finally succumbed to the avalanche of AOL CDs in 1997. Even the university, moving at such glacial pace it still ran a nineties Windows NT, was trying to get us to blog on their platform and chat with other students in the fresher's forum in 2004.

And for all the joys of smartphone browsing on the go and novelty of proximity based search which doesn't involve typing postcodes, I just logged into a popular uh... people-meeting service that fundamentally hasn't changed design since earlier than 2004, and it was dated-looking then.

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by nommm-nommm on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @08:27PM (#13477600)
The original Facebook didn't have a status to update; that didn't come until around late 2007 or early 2008. There was no chat until that time as well, just "poke." In 2004 it still managed to be "social" for its time though, especially with its focus on a campus.

For a very long time Facebook was just mostly static pages with a list of friends and a "wall" your friends could write on, and maybe, IIRC, photo upload. That's it! It was literally that boring!

Uploading a new profile pic deleted your old one, even. That being said, you could still use Facebook to contact people, if they included their phone number or AIM name, which was accessable to anyone in your college. I was contacted several times this way before Facebook chat/message/whatever else.

I remember when the "mini feed" feature was released, and all it did was list your last 5 or so activities. That was controversial.

The current Facebook shares very little resemblance to the original version, it's very, very fundamentally different from 2004 Facebook.

...yet the original version still got popular.

That being said, the first time. I heard about Facebook was one of those college publications like this one. I wish I could read it today but it was just a student publication that was printed on regular paper and put around campus every once it a while. I remember reading it and being baffled as to why it would be popular. Shortly after that the person I was dating at the time asked me to sign up. That is the only reason I did!

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by aidos on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @08:52PM (#13477736)
Haha. Remember when they first introduced apps and they had access to everything? So people were tracking who was viewing your photos the most etc. It was the Wild West out there.
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by andrewksl on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @11:05PM (#13478401)
> The original Facebook didn't have a status to update; that didn't come until around late 2007 or early 2008

It wasn't that late. At early as 2005, there was a form with the prompt "John Doe is:" and you had to squeeze whatever thoughts you needed your friends to know into that format.

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by nommm-nommm on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @11:28PM (#13478520)
2005? Nope and no and no way in hell.

First of all, mini-feed launched in Sep, 2006, according to a TechCrunch post from that time. That was the real time Facebook started to be anything near what it is today, and certainly well before status updates.

I first noticed people using status updates in March 2008, how do I know month and year, you ask? because there was serious shit going on on my life at the time. And I remember reading "X is blah blah blah" for the first time while I was going through my shit. It was new enough to notice. I'll conceed that the "status feature" may have existed a year before I really noticed it, so we are still at early 2007 two years earlier than 2005.

I also do recall the criticism of "you're copying Twitter" as a sibling posted.

I remember using the brand new Facebook chat about April or May 2008, FWIW.

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by Semaphor on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @03:13AM (#13479669)
My first status post on facebook was 2006-09-05

edit: 2006, not 2016.

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by andrewksl on Thursday January 26, 2017 @10:49PM (#13497583)
Went back to check, and you're totally right. Not sure how I remembered that so wrong.
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by rco8786 on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @11:20PM (#13478473)
No way. When they launched the status feature they got all kinds of crap for copying twitter, which launched in 2006.
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by karmelapple on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @01:25AM (#13479174)
Correct. April 20, 2007, appears to be the date according to http://www.jonloomer.com/2012/05/06/history-of-facebook-chan...
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by notahacker on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @09:21PM (#13477873)
I wasn't on it in March 2004, but things like the Wall on individual profiles came very early and even other long-gone features like the metadata on favourite bands anticipated the like graph they ultimately ended up with. The thing I remember most about the mini feed was how much people complained when it was introduced...
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by WorldMaker on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @11:32AM (#13482819)
I've had people ask me why I always refer to it as "the facebook" and its fun explaining to people that that really was what it was called at the time I signed up. Also, "the facebook" was late to my college campus (relatively) so we hopped through a small collection of facebooks. It's weird today that most people don't realize there were multiple competitive facebooks or that it was essentially a generic term before it was a brand...

It's especially weird when I see people roll their eyes or laugh at someone say my grandmother's age referring to it as "the facebook", because to them its quaint and elderly, and I'm tempted to break out the "get off my lawn, that's what it has always been called" speech... Internet history is weird.

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by 8note on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @10:52PM (#13478328)
the wall was chat.

there was one screen where you could check on who's online, then you'd write on their wall

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by nommm-nommm on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @11:03PM (#13478385)
I remember, but it was really quite different than what you'd think of as a chat. I'd write something on your wall and you'd reply by posting something on my wall two days later. Everyone saw both. That was the only chat available. There was very little interactivity.

The wall was mostly equivalent to scrawling something in a public bathroom, hence the name.

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by at-fates-hands on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @08:27PM (#13477603)
>> And for all the joys of smartphone browsing on the go and novelty of proximity based search.

Still remember ATT Mobile in early 2001 had a "find me" service you could use to find your friends. It was like a messenger app you logged into and then it would show you where your friends were located on a google maps interface. Then you could text or chat with him.

They used the example of a guy who wins some concert tickets and wants to invite his friends that are nearby. It showed him logged in and then bringing up the messaging interface and showing three friends all within a few block radius. He sends out a group text about the tickets and they agree to meet at the bar in 15 minutes. I really thought it was a clever use of GPS and felt this was really the future of "smart" phones.

I tried to sell that shit to everybody I knew and everybody instantly freaked about their phone transmitting where they were and how it would violate their privacy, etc, etc.

I guess times have changed huh?

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by pyvpx on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @03:49AM (#13479829)
Google Maps? in 2001??
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by B1FF_PSUVM on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @06:06AM (#13480417)
Probably cell-tower triangulation, not GPS, and just a GMaps-like interface (as in a map image with a blinking dot ;-)
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by 65827 on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @07:39PM (#13477306)
It's like things are accelerating isn't it? I remember trying to convince people they should sign up for email accounts in like 1992, I remember them looking at me like I was trying to sell them on a cult. Those people staring at me were such fucking dinosaurs they lost siblings to polio. Imagine that craziness. Now I feel like if I don't have a cyberbrain by 2022 it will be a huge letdown.
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by Swizec on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @07:58PM (#13477427)
Crazier still. The young generation once more has siblings who die from polio and measles and such. For reasons.

Maybe we're the dinosaurs.

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by acetoxy on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @09:08PM (#13477810)
What do you mean?

According to WHO, measles caused 2.6 million deaths a year before 1980, but only 134 200 in 2015. Polio dropped from 350 000 cases in 1988 to 74 in 2015.

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by treehau5_ on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @09:13PM (#13477837)
I think he was making a passing joke at the anti-vax crowd
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by acetoxy on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @09:23PM (#13477888)
Yeah, if people stops vaccinating their kids, then the numbers would obviously go up instead of down. It's pretty scary that a lot of people don't realize this.
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by flashman on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @08:27PM (#13477602)
> It's so hard to believe that's only from 2004.

It's surprising Holt could still get away with writing "Cornell girls are hideous" as late as 2004!

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by lmm on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @06:03AM (#13480400)
I think 2004-me would see a future in which it was politically impossible to write that kind of thing as a horrible dystopia.
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by Vinnl on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @05:48AM (#13480337)
It's surprising he got away with the term "webmasters".
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by zapu on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @07:18AM (#13480791)
I assumed there is some sort of rivalry between Stanford and Cornell - I'm not in US so I wouldn't know. But you would not see this kind of statement in a paper nowadays, that's for sure.
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by wiredfool on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @07:51AM (#13480967)
Cornell had of a rivalry with Harvard (who can't play hockey).

Stanford really wasn't a concern, they're on the other coast. Though, this was from afew years after my time.

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by coldtea on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @07:31AM (#13480859)
One could as well write it today. Assuming it's a free country and they do find them hideous or doing it for joking purposes (as the author does).
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by NautilusWave on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @10:47PM (#13478295)
That was as far as I got into the article....
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by samplatt on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @07:48PM (#13477369)
>The difference between 2000 and 2015 is so absurdly radical it begs disbelief.

The first movie I watched on my GearVR headset was called Strange Days, a 1995 film rather aptly about the introduction of Virtual Reality and how the government is involved in all sorts of dirty cover-ups. The movie was terribawesome, but it was amusing to see what 90's ideas of the future were getting right and wrong.

Though, the time between 1995 and 2015 is almost a whole generation, so I don't know why I'm surprised that I'm seeing the dreams of the past realised quite literally before my eyes. Does this mean I'm old, now?

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by ralfd on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @10:40PM (#13478264)
It is not terrible, but legitimately awesome.

Written by James Cameron and directed by his then-wife Kathryn Bigelow. It's such a great movie. And has a great track by Peter Gabriel at the end as well!

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by tragic on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @04:10AM (#13479918)
The very ending is a little bit cheesy. But apart from that, it's a great ride.

The interesting thing about it, in relation to this thread, is that they consciously tried not to extrapolate too far technologically (apart from the whole record all your experiences thing); in fact, pretty much the only noticeable advance is speech to text translation on voicemail.

Some legit stupid outfits as well. Very 90s-cool...

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by coldtea on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @07:33AM (#13480868)
>The very ending is a little bit cheesy.

Compared to today's superhero movies?

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by ChrisClark on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @08:06PM (#13477478)
As a side note, I don't remember much of that movie beside the 'mental feedback loop' of experiencing live what you're recording. Terrifying.
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by tritosomal on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @08:34PM (#13477640)
It was cheesey. The focus of the conspiracy was the political assassination of a musician, except whenever movies try to fictionalize a wildly popular artist, it usually deflates the premise because you're forced into imagining why the artist is so popular.

The music is contrived and laughably bad, so while you might really want to imagine the profound tragedy of losing the artist while being a fan of the music, your just left with blah.

Hackers and Johnny Pnemonic (ostensibly from the same essential genre or style and period) are more fun to watch, simply because those movies don't frame the story arc as supposedly shocking and worrisome, even though they suck probably just as much.

With Strange Days, your supposed to care about something for some odd reason.

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by coldtea on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @07:34AM (#13480874)
>The music is contrived and laughably bad

That never stopped chart-topping artists...

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by samplatt on Thursday January 26, 2017 @03:11AM (#13489615)
Seriously.

I actually thought the 'rapper' had some decent-power beat poetry going on, and measured up favourably against real-world artists (talk about backhanded compliments...)

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by tritosomal on Saturday January 28, 2017 @12:16AM (#13505049)
Put it this way, the music is patently artificial, if it exists solely within the scope of the fiction.

If the producers were not willing to cast a known artist, and granting creative freedom to compose real music, which would then be included on the official motion picture sound track, it's assuredly contrived, although it might be appealing.

Further driving this fact home is that, the actor cast in the role did not further his career as a musician, and no one claims credit for composing authentic music. This is a telling clue that it was composed expressly as a believable, high-quality prop. The people who made it were paid specifically to craft the music to fill the space required for the plot of the movie.

Now, take authentic music from other movies, which has been composed by a career musician, which then gets used as part of a sound track years later. It comes through, as obviously good, because it's selected for its high quality, as a known quantity.

Similarly, observe career musicians that have played roles in movies. Even if their acting sucks, usually their musical contributions still shine.

When examined in this way, the cheesey nature of the prop music is evident. This sort of perception is tough to balance, when asking people to suspend disbelief for the duration of the movie. It's hard to pull someone into the world of a movie, and then ask them to be impressed by someone who is not famous, and show them a world that is moved by his music when the music isn't truly moving.

Beyond that, we weren't even permitted to become emotionally invested in the character. Even though the circumstances of his demise are villified, there's no depth to his martyrdom because we don't bond with the character. We bond with the underground experience brokering brain-hacker main character. This is where the movie falls short, with respect to the weak cover-up conspiracy theory.

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by akerro on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @04:01AM (#13479868)
13 years ago they had funnier conspiracy theories. Now it's all related to NSA and confirmed :/
Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by barking on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @04:05AM (#13479897)
Were things that primitive?

"A car phone is a mobile phone device specifically designed for and fitted into an automobile. This service originated with the Bell System, and was first used in St. Louis on June 17, 1946."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_phone

Re:TheFacebook.com’s darker side (2004) by czep on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @08:07AM (#13481064)
> The difference between 2000 and 2015 is so absurdly radical it begs disbelief.

I don't disagree, it does feel very surreal to reflect on life in the 1990s. But put in context, a lot can happen in 15 years. I mean, imagine living through the era 1930 to 1945. From the days of flappers and the Charleston to Nazism and atomic bombs.