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Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by st3v3r on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @05:13PM (#13476188)
It is the duty of every scientist working at all of these government agencies to ensure that data continues to be made public, no matter who is in the White House.
Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by kafkaesq on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @05:27PM (#13476346)
They also have (as bullies like Trump know all too well) a duty to feed their families, pay the mortgages, and save for their children's education. At least until they find another job (in the wonderfully lucrative and liquid job market for research scientists of our current era).

And probably wouldn't appreciate outsiders telling them which duty is more inviolable, or sacrosanct.

Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by headcanon on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @05:54PM (#13476544)
They're not mutually exclusive. Scientists have been putting together open data repositories as a "Trump shelter" ever since election day. Data that is publicly available today can be downloaded and stored anywhere, and the government can't do anything about it other than cast FUD.

Honestly, assuming all our data is preserved in some form, I think its almost a blessing in disguise. finding and downloading public datasets involves wading through a cornucopia of terrible websites that feel like they're deliberately trying to keep people out. Government science shops don't typically hire UX people, so allowing those people to get their hands on some open data services can't be bad.

Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by ktRolster on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @06:00PM (#13476593)
They're not mutually exclusive. Scientists have been putting together open data repositories as a "Trump shelter" ever since election day

Yet another good thing the Trump election has (inadvertently) caused.

Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by jonlucc on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @09:18PM (#13477860)
This assumes there are no downsides to not receiving any new data from these agencies for 4 years (or 8).
Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by headcanon on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @10:58AM (#13482426)
Yeah, that part doesn't sound so great :/
Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by clumsysmurf on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @05:37PM (#13476424)
Its sad that out president is a bully. The problem of how the establishment bullies the rest of society is only going to get worse.

"Bully Nation: How the American Establishment Creates a Bullying Society"

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0700622608

Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by noobermin on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @05:37PM (#13476427)
>(in the wonderfully lucrative and liquid job market for research scientists of our current era)

Surely you jest. I think you mean in the private sector.

A scientist joins a national lab or institution not for the pay, but for academic and research reasons.

Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by kafkaesq on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @05:48PM (#13476507)
It was, indeed, in jest.

Irony and humor being one of the few defenses we have against the rapidly onsetting age of darkness.

Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by Filligree on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @05:38PM (#13476432)
I believe that was irony.
Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by SapphireSun on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @06:42PM (#13476922)
It's true that there are competing concerns, but that is why we hold up dissenters that safeguard the public interest as heroes. They are making a noble attempt to protect the public in times of adversity.
Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by st3v3r on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @05:31PM (#13476378)
Then they should have taken private sector jobs.

I'm sorry, but if they do not resist Trump, then they are complacent in his bullying.

Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by noobermin on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @05:40PM (#13476450)
Another point to make is the USDA is not the NSA or the CIA, you can't keep a cap on mostly left-leaning scientists and expect it to hold. It won't work.
Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by mi100hael on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @05:44PM (#13476482)
Hell, look how many leaks were coming out of the FBI in the weeks leading up to the election. Keeping a blanket gag on any bureaucracy is a futile endeavor.
Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by mschuster91 on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @06:44PM (#13476940)
> Keeping a blanket gag on any bureaucracy is a futile endeavor.

Look what Obama did to Snowden and Manning, and that from a Democratic president.

Trump meanwhile has stated multiple times that he supports torture and Guantanamo - I don't know if I'd have the courage to be a leaker under a President Trump. One thing is for sure - anyone caught leaking anything opposing or contradicting Trump will spend a long time behind bars or worse.

Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by burkaman on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @06:56PM (#13477023)
Is it illegal to leak non-classified information? I think at worst you would be fired.
Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by mschuster91 on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @07:50PM (#13477393)
> I think at worst you would be fired.

Remember "Three felonies a day"? When you're targeted by Trump or his cronies, you don't stand a chance.

Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by omegaworks on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @06:02PM (#13476603)
>mostly left-leaning scientists

I know it's popular to say "reality has a liberal bias" but I don't think it does us a service to keep promoting that myth.

Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by pg314 on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @06:17PM (#13476725)
According to [1] most scientists are indeed liberal: 52% of scientists describe themselves as liberal versus 9% as conservative. The numbers for the general public are 20% and 37%, respectively.

[1] http://www.people-press.org/2009/07/09/section-4-scientists-...

Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by omegaworks on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @08:30PM (#13477614)
Maybe my meaning was lost. I don't think it does a service to our political dialogue when we casually throw "mostly left-leaning" on "scientists." We don't want to encourage the instant siloing / ignorance that can accompany labeling someone whose profession is gathering objective evidence with a particular subjective political tribe.

Language matters. I think "reality has a liberal bias" and other patronizing quips have helped usher us into a post-truth era.

Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by serge2k on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @06:10PM (#13476677)
What myth?

Until the right stops rejecting science and promoting lies (cough crowd size cough) that saying is pretty much true.

Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by jcranmer on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @06:58PM (#13477038)
The left is equally guilty of being anti-science when it suits them. The anti-vaxxer and anti-GMO crowds tend to be predominantly left-wing, for example.
Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by st3v3r on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @07:07PM (#13477096)
Anti-vaxxers are a fringe element of the left. Climate deniers are the mainstay of the right. Do not falsely equivalate the two.
Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by jcranmer on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @07:35PM (#13477281)
Anti-GMO is most certainly not fringe, particularly not in Europe where it's as mainstream a position as climate change denial is in the US, and just as dismissive of science.
Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by tacomonstrous on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @08:03PM (#13477455)
In the US, though, it's most definitely fringe, and that's what's pertinent to the discussion in this thread.
Re:USDA disavows gag-order emailed to scientific research unit by jack9 on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @11:39PM (#13478578)
Without context, fringe has no meaning, that is what's pertinent. It's about as popular as Scientology (anti-GMO seems to be about twice the anti-vax).