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Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by ComradeTaco on Friday January 20, 2017 @10:06AM (#13444285)
I honestly believe the US isn't going to have enough political capital or will to do anything about climate change in next 15-20 years.

What we will have to do regardless is deal with rising storm surges and sea levels. Pretty much every major city will need a significant storm barriers. We should consider land buy back on easily flooded harbor barriers, and perhaps even abandonment of smaller coastal communities.

Unfortunately, the everglades are sunk, and Florida will become increasingly unlivable, as salt water infiltrates almost all groundwater supplies.

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by hzhou321 on Friday January 20, 2017 @01:13PM (#13445664)
It is the Antarctica summer and there is no miracles that would reverse the physics for that crack now, so let's stop panic for every a few miles of the procession and let the near future reality sink in -- when enough people do that, we may have hope.

The last decade is the most progressive political period in US yet all we did is the worst damage to the climate crisis (on the flip side, how much worse could it be?). So let's face it, the political show does not really matter. Nothing will change until we crash and nature will force the change upon us. This is nothing new in the history and in a few millennia every thing will be renew and we will be forgotten (and forgiven).

The inevitability is built into the large number theory. As long as there are too many drivers on the wheel and too many cooks in the kitchen, the average will rule the society and the average will always be shallow and near sighted. So before the actual crisis hit nearly every one, the society is incapable of change direction.

In the analogy, money would be the gasoline and we have too many feet on that pedal. The market absolutely destroys any kind of responsibility. Meanwhile, passengers, either enjoy the ride or embrace yourself.

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by theseadroid on Friday January 20, 2017 @02:11PM (#13446178)
What about educating the whole population to the point that the average joe can think logically, critically, and independently so that the society as a whole can adapt change better?

And it's not like we haven't seen that the average person can make better decisions because of education, than medieval age lets say. Maybe we just need faster ways to improve the population.

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by hzhou321 on Friday January 20, 2017 @02:25PM (#13446315)
Of course that is the solution. The question is how? To be specific, what actually should we educate the population?

We should differentiate knowledge from intelligence or wisdom. Knowledge can be fake, misleading, or contradictory. We have more knowledge and access of information than medieval age typical Joe, but do we have more intelligence or wisdom?

To make the comparison easier, do we have more intelligence and wisdom than Plato (whom I am certain that we possess more knowledge)?

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by theseadroid on Friday January 20, 2017 @02:53PM (#13446510)
This is a large topic and I've been thinking for a while. In essence, there are 2 major things we need to educate more.

1. Science. To the point that average joe understands that the prediction of climate change is concluded from the same scientific methods that helped us finding cures for diseases, inventing computers, and sending people to the moon. Science is not always perfect the same as we dont always have perfect cure for some diseases at the moment. But that is the best we can do for now, and it's the work of many experts over many years. So it is logical to either believe it or contribute to it scientifically, financially, auditing-wise, or something else. After all we believe in scientists not because that they have the title, but because we believe in scientific methods, in scientific approach.

2. Social science. Pure science is about causality. Social science can teach us value, what is good, what is bad, and happiness. Then we can discuss whether not acting upon climate change will make you more happy or less happy.

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by sjg007 on Friday January 20, 2017 @08:18PM (#13448248)
Never going to happen in the us of a..
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by plussed_reader on Friday January 20, 2017 @02:15PM (#13446223)
Not with Betsy Blackwater at the helm; if she does anything other than weaken public education at the benefit of the various charter systems, I will be deeply surprised.
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by vixen99 on Friday January 20, 2017 @02:30PM (#13446355)
You could start by 'educating' scientists like Richard Lindzen, William Happer, Judith Curry and Ivar Giaever. Would the population act differently if they rose to these folks' intellectual level?
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by hzhou321 on Friday January 20, 2017 @02:44PM (#13446454)
Well, if you always stop actually listen to these scientists at the first sentence, then you are not educated (IMHO, sorry, no offense).

To be educated IMHO, we should care about reasons of what they say more than the title of what they say. It is not unusual for scientists to draw wrong conclusions from the the right reasons, and those right reasons can help you draw your own right conclusions.

When each of us can maintain our own set of knowledge/conclusions under a set of consistent reasons, then the society will be much more resistant to any kind of appeal to authority/popularity logic fallacy.

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by omegaworks on Friday January 20, 2017 @01:57PM (#13446075)
In contrast to this advocacy of nihilism, hopelessness and apathy I offer a foil. Agitate.

Get out in the streets and put your body on the line if you believe this is real.

We are the worlds first experiment in self governace. We believe in government for the people, by the people. We can accomplish so much more by showing up and standing up for policy change.

Exercise your right to assemble. Exercise your right to speak. Join. Donate. Walk.

If you don't have a community of people around you willing to fight for this, make one. Host lecturers, host sign making jams, make art, make friends.

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by anigbrowl on Friday January 20, 2017 @02:35PM (#13446392)
Yes, remember how we stopped the Iraq war? Oh wait....

http://www.thepaincomics.com/weekly050525a.htm

What you're recommending is a way to feel good without achieving anything. Nobody in power gives a shit about protests unless they become overwhelmingly large and people are willing to die en masse.

Also, we are not the world's first experiment in self-governance. that's a bedtime story for people who don't read history books.

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by omegaworks on Friday January 20, 2017 @03:04PM (#13446580)
Fine. The world's oldest, still functioning experiment in self-governance :)

Maybe if I add more qualifiers to it you'll see past that quibble for the larger point.

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by pdeuchler on Friday January 20, 2017 @02:26PM (#13446325)
> "Host lecturers, host sign making jams, make art, make friends."

As if we needed more performative signaling today...

I don't necessarily share GP's viewpoint but it's incredibly naive to assume that the US government isn't completely controlled by monied interests at this point... More than half of Trump's cabinet donated to Hillary Clinton's campaign.

Furthermore, just being a whimsical, creative person doesn't wrest power from those who control our nation... the 60's and 70's pretty conclusively proved that if you needed evidence. If you want to take power from those who have it (which is the definition of enacting climate change legislation) then you literally have to take power. Given that money was used to move power away from the people, it seems a good place to start in taking it back.

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by omegaworks on Friday January 20, 2017 @03:03PM (#13446573)
"Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured."[0]

Whimsy is not what I advocated. If that's how it came across perhaps I chose my words imperfectly. I'm trying to figure out secular, modern ways of building community. MLK used the power of religion to build and sustain his movement. And to pretend that it didn't successfully create change is historical revisionism.

0. Letter from Birmingham Jail - Martin Luther King https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham....

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by pdeuchler on Friday January 20, 2017 @04:34PM (#13447147)
You'll find Dr. King's approach was a heck of a lot more than "trying to raise awareness", or "building communities".

I do not think it is just an odd coincidence that most people have forgotten the economic, political, and social militancy that came with the Civil Rights movement in favor of a disney-ified[0] version where mere marches, willpower, and belief in a certain set of principles caused widespread change.

[0] http://inthesetimes.com/article/14524/santa_clausifying_mart...

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by omegaworks on Friday January 20, 2017 @08:23PM (#13448261)
I have not gone to any kind of leadership / political organization training. Just flying by the seat of my pants; running on faith, awareness and just a little bit of rage. If you have any recommendations, please share :)

I'm very much aware that MLK had a larger vision for shared economic prosperity, a vision for "a beloved community," that is very much sanitized by the mainstream narrative. The article you posted doesn't really do service to telling the actual message. I recommend this On Being interview where Vincent Harding [0] gives an overview.

0. http://www.onbeing.org/program/vincent-harding-is-america-po...

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by hzhou321 on Friday January 20, 2017 @03:12PM (#13446624)
Except this time the tension is between nature and human. The activists do not necessarily bring that tension more to the surface than muddling it with societal tensions.
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by hzhou321 on Friday January 20, 2017 @02:05PM (#13446141)
Believing that Get out in the streets and put your body on the line will do anything is questionable. I don't share that belief.

Reality gets sink in, not by watching TV or listening to activists. So for me, try to open my eyes and sort out my logic is the action to make. When enough people understand the reality without internal contradiction, the right action will show up.

So I am acting on my belief, advocating truth and logic here.

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by omegaworks on Friday January 20, 2017 @03:09PM (#13446611)
"I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured."[0]

We speak and march to create visibility, to bring to light and make tangible the struggles that are hidden and quiet and disconnected. There's only so much typing messages into the infinite electric void can accomplish. Be careful to understand the difference between truth/logic and beliefs you choose to hold to keep you sheltered in your apathy.

0. https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham....

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by ende on Friday January 20, 2017 @02:29PM (#13446346)
The problem with "for the people, by the people" is that most of the people want just the former and not the later. They want to tell some other people how to govern for them and then return to staring at their iphone.
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by jshawl on Friday January 20, 2017 @10:13AM (#13444334)
The US President (as of today) thinks climate change is a hoax - https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/26589529219124838...
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by rojobuffalo on Friday January 20, 2017 @01:41PM (#13445920)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13445555

All references to climate change have been deleted from the White House website...

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by waterphone on Friday January 20, 2017 @07:02PM (#13447966)
Everything has been deleted from the White House website, this happens with every Presidential transition—the old site gets taken down and archived and the new team puts up their own site from scratch.
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by Retric on Friday January 20, 2017 @10:17AM (#13444358)
Don't assume he is being honest when he says anything. Lying is practically the guys calling card.

That said, he is unlikely to push climate change one way or another globally. With how cheap wand and solar has gotten coal is on the way out and would take significant subsides to become competitive.

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by manarth on Friday January 20, 2017 @10:41AM (#13444563)

  he is unlikely to push climate change one way or another
He has appointed a number of climate-change deniers to the cabinet [1], including positions such as the EPA Administrator. I wouldn't be surprised to see action against mitigating climate change, such as removing protections, or reducing funding for agencies involved in environmental protection.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/dec/15/trump-ca...

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by conistonwater on Friday January 20, 2017 @11:58AM (#13445101)
This seems right to me, by the principle that "actions speak louder than words". Presumably actions also speak louder than words that weren't said.
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by plussed_reader on Friday January 20, 2017 @02:17PM (#13446246)
Right, but the campaign is run on words. And now we get to live the reality of whatever those words 'meant'.
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by mcintyre1994 on Friday January 20, 2017 @10:49AM (#13444611)
Has he gone back on his plan to end the Paris treaty? If not that seems like a big push one way or the other - though of course he might go back on it.
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by okreallywtf on Friday January 20, 2017 @11:37AM (#13444949)
Its literally day 1, give him 24 hours and we'll see.
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by manarth on Friday January 20, 2017 @12:27PM (#13445313)
Not even 24 hours.

  For too long, we’ve been held back by burdensome regulations on our energy
  industry. President Trump is committed to eliminating harmful and unnecessary
  policies such as the Climate Action Plan and the Waters of the U.S. rule.
  Lifting these restrictions will greatly help American workers, increasing wages
  by more than $30 billion over the next 7 years.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-energy
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by eddiecalzone on Friday January 20, 2017 @12:27PM (#13445314)
You'd think, but he's decided to take the weekend off (not kidding). This, after it came out that he wanted tanks and rocket launchers at the inauguration. Our Dear Leader had to be told that it would look bad, and that the weight of the tanks would turn the streets to rubble.
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by gsg21 on Friday January 20, 2017 @12:47PM (#13445466)
I'm not doubting you, but I'm curious if you have a link/source regarding the tanks and rocket launchers
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by burkaman on Friday January 20, 2017 @01:04PM (#13445599)
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by anigbrowl on Friday January 20, 2017 @02:43PM (#13446447)
that story was served anonymously, but correctly predicted 2 days ago that there would be military overflights of teh inauguration parade, confirmed here: http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/military-flyovers-for-...

So I think it would be a mistake to dismiss it as pure conjecture considering that it has been partly validated by events. It would be quite easy to file a FOIA request to find out whether there were requests for ground-based hardware. Trump is already on record expressing a desire for military parades: http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/trump-to-hold-military...

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by plussed_reader on Friday January 20, 2017 @02:18PM (#13446253)
So you don't have a real source, just conjecture?
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by burkaman on Friday January 20, 2017 @03:20PM (#13446675)
No, I'm not a reporter, I don't have any sources. Just trying to help people who don't feel like looking it up themselves.
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by krapp on Friday January 20, 2017 @11:37AM (#13444956)
Whether or not Trump is sincere, it is a commonly held belief among the American right that climate change is a fraud or a hoax perpetrated by "leftists" or, as Trump seems to claim, the Chinese.

To me, the problem is less that Trump claims to believe climate change is a Chinese hoax, and more that such insane claims are what got him elected, because they seem refreshingly honest to so many Americans.

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by drinkjuice on Friday January 20, 2017 @10:27AM (#13444436)
We don't need to DO anything to achieve Doomsday, we need to fail to do enough, in time to prevent the point of no return. I'd say we're right on track.
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by melling on Friday January 20, 2017 @10:32AM (#13444496)
And we currently aren't doing enough. Last year's Paris agreement is not sufficient:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/sep/23/ratifiyi...

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by darkmouth on Friday January 20, 2017 @12:29PM (#13445330)
I am not a fan of how people try to downplay the situation and 'play fair' but giving someone the benefit of doubt who openly denies climate change and has appointed key members in the cabinet who have a lot of reasons to deny climate change even if they know its true. The Secretary of State is the former CEO of Exxon.

There is no wisdom in trying to be neutral. There is no smartness and tolerance in trying to protect and tolerate things that are by themselves intolerant and harmful.

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by dragonwriter on Friday January 20, 2017 @12:11PM (#13445185)
> That said, he is unlikely to push climate change one way or another globally.

He's likely to push climate change one way -- that is, in the direction of reinforcing the current trend. He's may be unlikely to push substantive policy responses to climate change, but that's a different issue.

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by jrobn on Friday January 20, 2017 @11:20AM (#13444828)
I'm sure he would change is tune if some of his huge and tremendous business assets started drowning in ocean surges.
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by hawski on Friday January 20, 2017 @11:40AM (#13444981)
That would be too late.

EDIT: But even after two cadencies it would probably not be close to it.

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by sean2 on Friday January 20, 2017 @02:36PM (#13446400)
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by jrobn on Friday January 20, 2017 @10:11PM (#13448550)
Somehow I'm not surprised at all. This man....
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by notyourwork on Friday January 20, 2017 @02:58PM (#13446545)
He has an opportunity to go down in history as the president who saved the planet. He has not shown to lean this direction but I find it interesting that someone who wants worldly recognition would ignore a glaring opportunity.
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by JoeAltmaier on Friday January 20, 2017 @02:58PM (#13446547)
No money in it for him.
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by notyourwork on Friday January 20, 2017 @03:24PM (#13446704)
Agreed but the guy seems to like recognition and as a "billionare" I would assume the only thing left is to cement your legacy. How better to do it than be recognized by the world as the US president who changed stance on global warming and made a difference.

Perhaps I am still dreaming that he will do an about face and actually be a good president. Regardless of who is president we can still dream, can't we?

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by JoeAltmaier on Friday January 20, 2017 @05:27PM (#13447477)
I'm afraid, not this time.
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by merpnderp on Friday January 20, 2017 @11:16AM (#13444806)
Do you have any evidence it is solar and wind and not natural gas that have been undercutting coal?
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by KirinDave on Friday January 20, 2017 @11:49AM (#13445034)
This is an odd request. Everything is undercutting coal. Coal has always been a rather expensive and dangerous technology, it's just that it's plentiful and in the land rights of Western powers.

Other forms of energy have been undercutting it since thermal steam rigs started working in North African farms. Probably longer when you consider the history of wind power.

If Natural Gas wasn't so arduous to obtain, a carbon liberator, and damaging to the water table to obtain, I suspect we'd be more excited about it.

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by JoeAltmaier on Friday January 20, 2017 @11:50AM (#13445052)
If Methane Hydrates work out, then natural gas will be less arduous to obtain - port cities will have pipes coming up from the seafloor into the harbor, delivering it to their millions of residents.
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by KirinDave on Friday January 20, 2017 @01:01PM (#13445578)
It's true, but it'd be nice if we were using oceanic floor pressure to sequester carbon rather than liberate more, even if on the long balance it's carbon neutral.

We really need to work out practices where we actively remove carbon from the air.

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by mulletbum on Friday January 20, 2017 @11:38AM (#13444965)
There is some stuff out there. Check out this article http://bfy.tw/9azA
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by MisterBastahrd on Friday January 20, 2017 @12:00PM (#13445114)
Yes, but the problem with him is that he's a mentally unsophisticated sociopath who is being led by the nose by anyone who will say nice things about him. This is a guy who will subsidize coal over wind and solar because "I don't wanna lose jobs."
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by masonic on Saturday January 21, 2017 @07:12PM (#13452846)

   (as of today)
Are you stuck in November 2012?
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by Retric on Friday January 20, 2017 @10:16AM (#13444352)
Sea levels are expected to rise around 2 feet by 2050 which is not going to have the impact you are suggesting. The largest impact is going to make storm surges which can reach up to 40 feet significantly worse. But, generally causing storms which would have already been bad will be worse will not hit everywhere at the same time.
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by merpnderp on Friday January 20, 2017 @11:14AM (#13444792)
Since 1870 sea level has risen <8 inches. To more than triple this amount of sea level rise in less than a quarter as many years would require a truly horrific change in climate.
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by Florin_Andrei on Friday January 20, 2017 @02:33PM (#13446374)
Only if you assume nothing else has changed meanwhile (e.g. CO2 levels).
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by cygx on Friday January 20, 2017 @11:41AM (#13444985)
Only if you assume a linear response.
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by KirinDave on Friday January 20, 2017 @11:51AM (#13445055)
It seems equally absurd to assume a profoundly sublinear response. Especially since the damage caused by flooding would cripple coastal communities.
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by JoeAltmaier on Friday January 20, 2017 @12:15PM (#13445215)
Widespread reef death, loss of the fisheries that depend on them, mass starvation?
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by robotjosh on Friday January 20, 2017 @03:27PM (#13446724)
All the scientific news about global warming seems to be "omg its happening faster than we said"
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by marcosdumay on Friday January 20, 2017 @11:18AM (#13444815)
The US was always reluctant on taking part of any GW negotiations, and never a leader of any one. Their political capital is clearly irrelevant.

We'll get better results from improvements on alternative power than from political agreements anyway.

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by abalashov on Friday January 20, 2017 @12:36PM (#13445383)
Yes, but the degree of large-scale investment in alternative power is substantially affected by political agreements.
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by ythn on Friday January 20, 2017 @03:32PM (#13446758)
Climate change is a problem, and it seems to be the number one problem for atheists and the like, but I'm still skeptical that the forecast of gloom and doom will come to pass.

Unfortunately, it's lose/lose for skeptics:

If you turn out to be right and Florida becomes unlivable in the next 50 years, you turn the skeptics into scapegoats and curb stomp them into submission. However, if you turn out to be wrong you just get off scot-free and say "Well, I turned out to be wrong because of X factor that everyone overlooked, but I came to the best conclusion possible with the evidence I had at hand. The skeptics were still wrong to have rejected science."

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by phkahler on Friday January 20, 2017 @12:16PM (#13445228)
>> Unfortunately, the everglades are sunk, and Florida will become increasingly unlivable,

Can we put up a wall to keep the alligators out during the flooding?

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by krapp on Friday January 20, 2017 @12:24PM (#13445290)
>Can we put up a wall to keep the alligators out during the flooding?

Judging by the way the US handled the flooding in New Orleans - no.

But least the alligators will take care of the PR problem of corpses floating in the streets.

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by debt on Friday January 20, 2017 @12:21PM (#13445259)
Yeah as long as the alligators pay for it.
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by vkou on Friday January 20, 2017 @01:31PM (#13445824)
Why on Earth should I (someone convinced that climate change is happening), be forced to pay for after-the-fact land buy-back, when my neighbor (who believes that the Chinese are turning up thermometers around the world), refuses to pay for a 3% increase in gas tax?
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by hzhou321 on Friday January 20, 2017 @01:52PM (#13446030)
When you are thinking like that, you are yet to accept the reality. When you absolutely convinces yourself that you are doomed, your mind will not be thinking about should. Your mind will be thinking about what can you do -- or accept doom.

The population still panics at every progression as if it is a surprise is an evidence that we by far are not realizing the reality. This is understandable -- our perception scale is simply too minuscule to the scale of the actual problem.

Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by vkou on Friday January 20, 2017 @02:01PM (#13446116)
I have largely accepted that we'll drive ourselves off that cliff. It's a big reason I won't have children.
Re:The large crack in the Antarctic ice shelf has grown 6 miles by hzhou321 on Friday January 20, 2017 @02:15PM (#13446224)
Yet it seems you have also tucked in somewhere a belief that driving off the cliff is not that big of a deal (to your other internal beliefs). Could you try detail that cliff. If that cliff is simply a word with little detail, that will be far from the reality, isn't it?

Only when we convince ourselves that we are really cornered with no acceptable alternatives, only then, we will figure out and try our really admirable effort (to fight).