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Re:The Problem with AMP by balls187 on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @12:03AM (#13415314)
Why does it matter if a user is an HN reader or not?
Re:The Problem with AMP by tehlike on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @12:34AM (#13415425)
it does, because we care about a number of things, including: 1. Technical implementation (and alternative ways of implementation). 2. Freedom (keeping things within google's walled-garden or not)

Your average user (who doesn't necessarily know anything about software) doesn't really care about 1, and probably doesn't care about 2. They care about speed of the page, data consumption of the page, and maybe the look-and-feel of the page (bloated vs sane).

When I say HN user, i mean technically informed and most often skeptic people.

The distinction matters.

Re:The Problem with AMP by applejuicestand on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @10:08AM (#13418118)
99% of internet users are average users. All your concerns are fine but at the end of the day when you want to read the news or whatever, speed matters.
Re:The Problem with AMP by CaptSpify on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @11:49AM (#13418990)
Then why doesn't Google rank speedy pages?
Re:The Problem with AMP by brainfire on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @02:14PM (#13420220)
Re:The Problem with AMP by CaptSpify on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @02:27PM (#13420335)
I'm not convinced that's still true. Obviously I can't see google-rankings internal stuff, but...

If I search for weather, lyrics, or other common sites, the top results are always slow, bloated, JS-filled nightmares. Yet the sites that are quick and small are never to be found.

Maybe they do and they need to weight speed higher. I don't know, but I know that I don't ever seem to get fast loading results.

This feels too much like creating a problem that you want to be able to step in and solve.

Re:The Problem with AMP by NamTaf on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @12:42AM (#13415448)
The use cases between both groups may be substantially different. Understanding this helps us not draw conclusions from 'how HN users use stuff' and incorrectly applying them to 'how all users use stuff'.