In the area I grew up, inflated rubber tires and bicycles were not allowed, but wooden tires on scooters were fine. Reason being, inflated tires made it too easy to travel far from home, which was generally discouraged.

So many people I grew up with seemed to think that Amish were being hypocritical by paying for taxi drivers to drive them around. That's an over-simplistic view. To an Amish community, taxi fees are a tariff intended to encourage finding a job close to home - or if at all possible - in your backyard. The ideal Amish are taught to strive for and desire is to have a farm and provide for your family with your hands.

Here is a great documentary about an Amish couple that gave the rare opportunity to be filmed and interviewed. It's not about the Amish that I grew up with, however their flavor of Amishness is philosophically equivalent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtNXvE_rLoE

Thanks for the link. Great documentary. I just watched that with my kids. We were absolutely mesmerized by the earnestness and openness of the family profiled.

Normally I wouldn't make an off-topic comment on region locking, but the irony of this one amused me (emphasis mine):

This video contains content from BBC Worldwide, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.

BBC worldwide is the commercial arm of the BBC, responsible for licensing TV programmes abroad.

I don't have the citation handy, but one fun fact is that this has basically shaken out by "natural selection" if you will - there used to be Amish communities that were fine with modern travel and personal ownership of cars... but all such Amish communities basically disintegrated into the larger culture. The ones that are left are the ones that picked technology policies that allowed them to absorb benefits from modern technology without fundamentally disrupting their culture.

You might enjoy the article "Amish Hackers" [1], which looks in more detail at the Amish approach to technology.

It has been discussed a few times here on HN [2].

[1] http://kk.org/thetechnium/amish-hackers-a/

[2] https://hn.algolia.com/?query=Amish%20Hackers&sort=byDate&da...

I find it's also easy to fall into the trap of attributing more cohesion than there is and simplifying all of the groups into some sort of average. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish#Use_of_technology_by_dif...

There's some really interesting inconsistencies in that table. E.g. some think tractors for fieldwork aren't OK but lawnmowers are, for others somehow chainsaws are bad but washing machines are fine etc.

Looking these over there doesn't seem to be any clear pattern to me. The grandparent mentioned them not wanting things that will "drastically change their way of life", surely having a washing machine is a bigger change to your life than having a chainsaw, even if you're a farmer.

>surely having a washing machine is a bigger change to your life than having a chainsaw

The relative effect of these devices varies by location. This assessment might be true in Southern CA, but if you're heating your domicile using wood in Northern Ontario that chainsaw is looking pretty good!

a washing machine, with little parts that can be replaced with wood or metal, seems like the kind of thing that can be kept in good working order for a long time.

I'd be leery of a chainsaw with handmade parts.

I also kind of wonder about lubricants and fuel in a chainsaw, how hard is it to safely duplicate those oils?

In the movie The Devil's Playground there is a discussion about how the Amish adopt technology. If I remember correctly, the criteria was based on whether the technology was disruptive to the community (i.e. how it affects the relations between people rather than an individual's day-to-day life). It's been more than ten years since I've seen the movie and I'm going on memory, but that made a big impression on me.

You should see some videos of Amish woodworking shops. They have every tool that a modern woodworking shop would have: table saw, bandsaw, drill press, rotary sanders, etc.

Except they are all air powered. They have all been rigged to run off pressurized air lines. The air is produced by a gas generator.

This would seem to be a classic example of a distinction without a difference.

Air tools are far more field serviceable than electrical ones. Furthermore, if your gas engine dies you can fairly quickly rig up something with a horse and a treadmill to spin the compressor.

It has to do with wanting something they can in principal maintain forever without outside help.

Up to a point central compressed air solutions do have H&S issues I recall one of my thermo fluid lecturers saying well if the main pressure vessel failed it would have demolished the building.

They make many pressure rated air hoses in those communities? Didn't think so. As previous poster noted, it is all effectively arbitrary window dressing.

If it where the case they should be using belt drive driven by wind/horse power - until fairly recently mech eng techs in the uk where taught how to design belt drive systems

Belt drives are far more limited and attached tools are not mobile in any way whatsoever. Not even close when it comes to substitution technology.

well machine tools are not that mobile and neither are air powered tools as you normally use those in abuilding that has compressed air on tap.

From my experience with the Amish it is all about justifications that don't make any sense. But if it works for them I'm not going to judge them too harshly.

Every community seems to be different. Different sets of rules.

In the town where I grew up there are Mennonites, and now more Amish people. Apparently - the reason they don't use electricity from the grid, is because it's possibly made on 'Sunday' - ergo - they can't use it.

They all have generators to make electricity for their barns, equipment etc..

No electricity to the houses though.

There are lots of different sects with different rules. Also, there are lots of them that have generators creating electricity but they unplug it if the church elders come for a visit.