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Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by adzm on Monday January 16, 2017 @09:32AM (#13410138)
While on the subject, this is why you may see et cetera abbreviated as etc and &c. And if you think of the latter as "et c" you have a popular website Etsy that sells et cetera.
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by aclimatt on Monday January 16, 2017 @01:05PM (#13411699)
I really wanted to believe that was Etsy's etymology, but alas it is not:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/LIVING/04/22/website.name.origins.mf...

(Not sure if that's what you were implying, clever idea though.)

Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by scholia on Monday January 16, 2017 @05:13PM (#13413495)
I wish that page had mentioned that Bing is derived from "Bing is not Google" ... even if it isn't true ;-)
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by adzm on Monday January 16, 2017 @02:58PM (#13412505)
Thanks for finding an actual source on this!
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by freehunter on Monday January 16, 2017 @10:42AM (#13410545)
I've had so many people tell me there wasn't a directory called /etsy when I tell them to cd to /etc.
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by Kluny on Monday January 16, 2017 @12:32PM (#13411417)
You actually say it like etsy? I've always said something like "et-k" or just etcetera in full.
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by jat850 on Monday January 16, 2017 @01:01PM (#13411661)
Not OP but I always say "etsy", and "etsy-d" for etcd. I have never explored if these are correct pronunciations or not...
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by Infernal on Monday January 16, 2017 @01:11PM (#13411741)
I have also always pronounced /etc as "etsy". I'm always thrown off when people say "ee tee see" or "etcetera", but that's pretty rare in my experience.

The people who pronounce /usr as "you ess are" instead of "user" kind of drive me crazy though.

Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by freehunter on Monday January 16, 2017 @01:26PM (#13411832)
I almost always have to say "you ess are" because while many people I talk to confuse etc and etsy, nearly everyone tries to type "/user" when I tell them to go to "forward slash user". Even people who should know better.
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by Infernal on Monday January 16, 2017 @03:36PM (#13412789)
Interesting. I wonder if the "forward slash" bit is making people start thinking literally rather than making associations to what they already know?

If I'm talking about a common system location, I don't even mention the slashes, e.g. "user bin", "etsy init dot dee", "var log httpd" and so on. If someone started off telling me to go to, say, "forward slash user forward slash library" I would just start transcribing /user/library, assuming it was something nonstandard. For /usr/lib, I'd expect to just hear "go to user lib".

Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by Kluny on Monday January 16, 2017 @07:44PM (#13414322)
yeah, sometimes it actually is spelled user though. Like I think Macs have /usr as well as /User dirs in the root.
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by morganvachon on Monday January 16, 2017 @09:53PM (#13414827)
I've always called /etc "etss", /usr "user", /tmp "temp", /var "varr" (like a pirate would I guess), and /dev "dev".

Then again, I never liked "scuzzy" for SCSI, it felt awkward in conversation even with other techies. It grew on me about the time the protocol was dying out.

Also..."gif" as in "gift" or "jif" as in the peanut butter? ;-)

Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by Infernal on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @10:33AM (#13418322)
I came of age in IT around 2005/2006, and it took me a really long time to connect the "scuzzy" people were talking about with SCSI as written. I always kinda liked the pronunciation though, once I figured out what it was referring to.

GIF as in gift, and all the other root-level directories you named, I'm on the same page as you.

Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by morganvachon on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @01:55PM (#13420039)
My high school graduation present in 1995 was a TI TravelMate 4000M laptop computer. It had no built in CD-ROM drive (I don't think any laptop did until the late 90s) but it had a full size SCSI port on the back. I promptly went to the local electronics superstore and asked for a "Ess See Ess Eye" external CD-ROM drive. The clerk looked at me like I was smoking something, then said "Oh, you mean a 'scuzzy' drive, sure we've got those!" I distinctly remember thinking at first the guy must not be proud of his product lineup. A few moments later the acronym and his pronunciation clicked and I felt really embarrassed.
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by freehunter on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @08:55AM (#13417485)
I've never been able to say "scuzzy". My grandparents used that word to mean trashy or dirty people, and I've never been able to use it in a professional context.
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by tripzilch on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @04:33AM (#13425147)
"gif" as in the Dutch word for poison, with the hard "g".
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by fnj on Monday January 16, 2017 @04:44PM (#13413291)
/usr may be pronounced "user" for convenience, but it was conceived as "Unix System Resources directory", not "user directory".
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by grzm on Monday January 16, 2017 @04:47PM (#13413321)
I believe that's a backronym.

http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/usr....

In current Unices, /usr is where user-land programs and data (as opposed to 'system land' programs and data) are. The name hasn't changed, but it's meaning has narrowed and lengthened from "everything user related" to "user usable programs and data". As such, some people may now refer to this directory as meaning 'User System Resources' and not 'user' as was originally intended.

Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by tomjakubowski on Monday January 16, 2017 @05:11PM (#13413483)
I like "oo-zer" which is both easier to say and less confusable with "user".
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by ben_bai on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @01:23PM (#13419776)
In ye olden days oft UNIX, users home directorys lived in /usr/username.
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by vacri on Monday January 16, 2017 @03:43PM (#13412836)
It always surprises me a little when I 'ls /' and /etc is up the top rather than at the very end. Mentally i've always placed 'etc' at the end, from 'et cetera'/'so on and so forth'/'misc'/'appendix'...
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by voidz on Monday January 16, 2017 @01:05PM (#13411700)
Americans often say "ect" (spelled out †). As a Dutch person (when talking in Dutch we say this as "etc" (eat tea sea) or "et cetera") it is very hard for me to not do the lord's work and correct them. And I guess it works if you abbreviate it as Et CeTera.

† edited to add that it's spelled out

Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by brennen on Monday January 16, 2017 @01:14PM (#13411750)
I'm pretty sure I have never encountered "ect" from any person of any nationality.
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by tunesmith on Monday January 16, 2017 @03:23PM (#13412690)
I've heard people say "ek cetera" quite a bit.
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by filoeleven on Monday January 16, 2017 @06:28PM (#13413998)
I've always heard it pronounced incorrectly as "ek setra". And now I'm wondering if it's unusual to pronounce the last word with all three syllables, as I do...
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by ahstro on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @05:24AM (#13416360)
If you hate this as much as I do, don't listen to Sweet and Tender Hooligan by The Smiths. It's a great song, but the last minute or so is horror.
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by brennen on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @05:30PM (#13422084)
Yeah, true. To the point where I suppose it's basically standard in a bunch of regional dialects.
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by voidz on Monday January 16, 2017 @01:16PM (#13411763)
I believe it's a common mispronounciation, but I have come across this quite often.
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by jonathankoren on Monday January 16, 2017 @02:46PM (#13412407)
I've lived my whole life in the United States, lived I two very different and distance parts, traveled around the country.

I've never heard this. like ever.

Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by voidz on Monday January 16, 2017 @04:21PM (#13413140)
Ok, so our experiences differ. Not a big deal.
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by ksenzee on Monday January 16, 2017 @11:02PM (#13415129)
I think you may be hearing something else and interpreting it as "ect." I also am from the US and have never once in my entire life heard this.
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by voidz on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @08:03AM (#13417083)
People spell it e-c-t. I have heard it often. I can't help it that you haven't!
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by Wildgoose on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @03:13AM (#13415852)
I have - and I distinctly remember doing it myself as a small child and being corrected by my teacher. (I'm English by the way).
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by lobster_johnson on Monday January 16, 2017 @03:36PM (#13412788)
I've heard people pronounce it "eck cetera" many, many times, presumably because they've never actually seen the word in print.

I've never heard anyone say "ect", which would imply that they've seen the word but can't read.

Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by runjake on Monday January 16, 2017 @01:57PM (#13412003)
It's a common misspelling in America, similar to incorrect uses of your vs you're.
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by dragonwriter on Monday January 16, 2017 @02:01PM (#13412044)
I've never heard an American spell out "etc.", correctly or not, in conversation; I'm having trouble believing that doing so, much less a particular incorrect way of doing it, is common generally among "Americans", though there may be some narrower regional or other subculture in which it is common.
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by solotronics on Monday January 16, 2017 @03:16PM (#13412652)
I am American and say "ee tee cee" for /etc.. but this could possibly be because I taught myself computer science online when I was a kid and so never heard people say many of the terms out loud.
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by tomjakubowski on Monday January 16, 2017 @05:13PM (#13413497)
Does any other language pronounce "et cetera" with the "hard" C, as it would be said in Latin?

Occasionally, you might encounter a Latin-speaking pedant who says "Kaizar" (this could also be a German :)) and "et ketera", but it isn't the norm in US English anyway.

Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by Anthony-G on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @07:07PM (#13422798)
I don't know Latin (aside from common phrases) but in many Romance languages (French, Spanish, Italian, Romanian) the ‘C’ is only hard when followed by ‘a’, ‘o’ or ‘u’ (referred to as broad vowels in Irish/Gaelic).
Re:The lost letters of the English alphabet by bbctol on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @09:22AM (#13417727)
How often is often? I've never seen that in my life.