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Re:WhatsApp backdoor allows snooping on encrypted messages by joelhaasnoot on Friday January 13, 2017 @06:53AM (#13390109)
According to the article however, the notification is given after the messages are resent. There is nothing the user can seemingly do to prevent retransmission on a forced key change. This prevents further information from being sent, but in case of undelivered messages, they could be snooped on.
Re:WhatsApp backdoor allows snooping on encrypted messages by zymhan on Friday January 13, 2017 @08:44AM (#13390677)
Sure, this could certainly leak some information, but it's hard to argue that this is a "backdoor".
Re:WhatsApp backdoor allows snooping on encrypted messages by wlll on Friday January 13, 2017 @09:55AM (#13391214)
A way of exploiting it is talked about in the article which would effectively allow Facebook/Whatsapp, or whoever is coercing them, to read all messages sent by a particular device.
Re:WhatsApp backdoor allows snooping on encrypted messages by dromen on Friday January 13, 2017 @10:21AM (#13391439)
It makes WhatsApp effectively not E2E encrypted. All messages can be recovered by Facebook. How is that NOT a backdoor?
Re:WhatsApp backdoor allows snooping on encrypted messages by disgusting_guy on Friday January 13, 2017 @11:08AM (#13391851)
No, all messages cannot be recovered by Facebook. Read the article - messages that are not yet delivered can potentially be read; if it has been delivered it cannot be retrieved.
Re:WhatsApp backdoor allows snooping on encrypted messages by belovedeagle on Friday January 13, 2017 @12:36PM (#13392671)
You go read the article. The deciding factor is not whether the message has been delivered, but whether WhatsApp servers report to the device that the message has been delivered. There's nothing stopping them from claiming that no messages have been delivered and thus recovering all messages (as long as they had been preselected for false delivery reports) despite true delivery status.
Re:WhatsApp backdoor allows snooping on encrypted messages by ycmbntrthrwaway on Friday January 13, 2017 @04:35PM (#13394907)
> but whether WhatsApp servers report to the device that the message has been delivered

It is hard to check what WhatsApp does, but in Signal it is not the server, but a recipient who sends delivery receipt. WhatsApp then has to either recognize encrypted receipts or allow only one-way conversation during attack. Carrying out the whole attack just to decrypt "hi, are you here?" is not really interesting.

Re:WhatsApp backdoor allows snooping on encrypted messages by t0b on Saturday January 14, 2017 @08:49PM (#13401873)
The delivery receipt is the message that is directly sent after the message has been delivered. Not too hard to distinguish those from other text messages.
Re:WhatsApp backdoor allows snooping on encrypted messages by Jarwain on Friday January 13, 2017 @02:22PM (#13393845)
So they can recover the messages, right? However, wouldn't these messages still be encrypted? Sure, they force a key change, and the messages are encrypted using the new key and sent. Theoretically, an attacker could have multiple copies of the same message, but these messages would still be encrypted under a variety of different keys right? Wouldn't the content of the messages still be secure?

Unless the key-change forces the user to be using an insecure key-pair, but is that actually happening?

Re:WhatsApp backdoor allows snooping on encrypted messages by ycmbntrthrwaway on Friday January 13, 2017 @04:38PM (#13394927)
New encryption (public) key is selected by the attacker, so he knows the decryption (private) key. Basically attacker just puts real device offline and registers his own device.
Re:WhatsApp backdoor allows snooping on encrypted messages by Jarwain on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @04:38AM (#13469968)
Wouldn't the attacker need to be authenticated as the user of the real device for this to work?
Re:WhatsApp backdoor allows snooping on encrypted messages by Johnny_Brahms on Friday January 13, 2017 @11:06AM (#13391816)
All messages, sent while a person is offline. It is bad, but not nearly as bad as "all messages"
Re:WhatsApp backdoor allows snooping on encrypted messages by foxylion on Friday January 13, 2017 @11:53AM (#13392334)
It is in fact all messages. They can simply not deliver the first message and force a resend record that mesaage. Afterwards force again a resend with the old encryption key and deliver that mesaage. No one would get a notification.
Re:WhatsApp backdoor allows snooping on encrypted messages by morsch on Friday January 13, 2017 @12:23PM (#13392567)
I can see how you would leave the receiver in the dark by sending them the original, deferred message, but how would asking the sender's device to resend with a different key not result in a notification?

Furthermore, as soon as the sender attempts to deliver another message to the recipient, they would get another notification (because the encryption key changed back to the real key); alternatively the attacker could continue blocking (and reading) messages to the recipient, but the lack of delivery would be noticeable.

You could escalate it into a MITM rather easily, though, by attacking both ends; but again, a key change notification should be displayed to both parties.

Assuming the closed sourced app works as advertised, obviously.

Re:WhatsApp backdoor allows snooping on encrypted messages by foxylion on Friday January 13, 2017 @12:49PM (#13392773)
Yes, you are right. But I think most people did not enable the security option so they wouldn't detect any interception of messages.
Re:WhatsApp backdoor allows snooping on encrypted messages by Johnny_Brahms on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @03:48AM (#13415975)
Well, what you are describing is a regular MITM attack. Unless you validate fingerprints, this is a risk with _all_ public key-based protocols.
Re:WhatsApp backdoor allows snooping on encrypted messages by adsche on Friday January 13, 2017 @11:56AM (#13392359)
Can't they (WhatsApp) simulate a user being offline?