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Re:Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0 by Freak_NL on Thursday January 12, 2017 @06:38AM (#13381475)
Are there any Signal-based messaging applications that work on the desktop without having to tether an Android or IOS smartphone to it, and without having to use a phone number as identifier?
Re:Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0 by FabHK on Thursday January 12, 2017 @07:08AM (#13381616)
Wire.

* open source, code on github

* e2e encryption (apparently derivative of Signal's Axolotl double ratchet)

* chat/voice/video, and group chats (all encrypted always)

* based in Switzerland, coding out of Berlin

* clients for iOS, Android, Mac, Windows, Linux, Web

* can sign up with phone number or email (or username? Not sure - I think you can find contacts via username, not sure you can sign up without email)

* reasonably responsive on twitter

* yada yada yada

Re:Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0 by throwaway122916 on Thursday January 12, 2017 @07:18AM (#13381661)
I like it, but what about all the tracking?

Things like this: https://github.com/wireapp/wire-desktop/issues/80

Then there is the fact that the client acts as a browser that fetches information from the web automatically without blocking trackers itself. This is leaking metadata and actual data.

Re:Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0 by mrbiber on Thursday January 12, 2017 @07:03AM (#13381594)
Riot.im uses the OLM encryption library (that is also used by XMPP OMEMO, see the OMEMO XEP). The OLM protocol is (I gather) very similar to the Signal protocol.

Riot is based on Matrix which is a decentralized protocol (you're not tied to one company), and it doesn't need your phone number.

Re:Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0 by jhasse on Thursday January 12, 2017 @06:46AM (#13381520)
OMEMO [1] is based on Axolotl (aka Signal's protocol) and you can use it with Gajim on the desktop. Still very experimental though :(

[1] https://conversations.im/omemo/

Re:Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0 by lucb1e on Thursday January 12, 2017 @06:44AM (#13381511)
This. People say Telegram is bad even though it's no worse than any other popular product, or has a different set of advantages/disadvantages both security- and privacy-wise.
Re:Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0 by tptacek on Thursday January 12, 2017 @08:28AM (#13381989)
From a security and privacy perspective, Telegram is substantially worse than its competitors, so this is a little rhetorical sleight of hand you've just pulled here.

If you want to argue that Telegram and Signal are comparable because Telegram has better UX and Signal better security and some people prefer UX to security, that's fine (I could not disagree more strongly, but at least it's a coherent argument). But don't pretend the thread isn't about security to make people believe that there's controversy about whether Signal is more secure. There is no controversy: Signal won the Levchin prize this year for the Signal Protocol and sets the standard for secure chat, and Telegram... well, let's just suffice it to say that it does not meet that standard.

Re:Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0 by detaro on Thursday January 12, 2017 @06:52AM (#13381543)
Wire? (Haven't tried it personally, and I don't think there is an independent review of their implementation of the crypto)
Re:Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0 by hn159753 on Thursday January 12, 2017 @06:46AM (#13381521)
Facebook Messenger.
Re:Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0 by FabHK on Thursday January 12, 2017 @07:15AM (#13381644)
Is Facebook Messenger Signal-based (i.e. end-to-end encrypted with a Signal/Axolotl double ratchet) as GP requested?

I somehow doubt it.

EDIT: Oh, I was mistaken, apparently there is an option now. From Wikipedia:

On October 4, 2016, Facebook deployed end-to-end encryption as an optional feature for Facebook Messenger users. It is available in an optional mode called "Secret Conversations" and uses the Signal Protocol.

Re:Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0 by rand77763 on Thursday January 12, 2017 @07:04AM (#13381603)
Wait, are you saying messenger is secure and private? As if Facebook would want to give up a source of data for marketing?
Re:Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0 by tptacek on Thursday January 12, 2017 @08:29AM (#13381999)
It's opt-in end-to-end encrypted with Signal Protocol now, so Facebook does in fact give up that data. Having said that, you should prefer protocols that aren't opt-in for security, which is what Signal buys you.
Re:Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0 by jhasse on Thursday January 12, 2017 @06:48AM (#13381529)
It's rather a web app than a desktop application, isn't it?
Re:Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0 by hn159753 on Thursday January 12, 2017 @06:58AM (#13381567)
It's not a desktop app, but the original requirement never stated that.
Re:Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0 by akjainaj on Thursday January 12, 2017 @07:11AM (#13381630)
There's a desktop app for Windows. There's also a web app at https://messenger.com. You can disable your Facebook account and still use Messenger