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Re:Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0 by FabHK on Thursday January 12, 2017 @07:08AM (#13381616)
Wire.

* open source, code on github

* e2e encryption (apparently derivative of Signal's Axolotl double ratchet)

* chat/voice/video, and group chats (all encrypted always)

* based in Switzerland, coding out of Berlin

* clients for iOS, Android, Mac, Windows, Linux, Web

* can sign up with phone number or email (or username? Not sure - I think you can find contacts via username, not sure you can sign up without email)

* reasonably responsive on twitter

* yada yada yada

Re:Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0 by throwaway122916 on Thursday January 12, 2017 @07:18AM (#13381661)
I like it, but what about all the tracking?

Things like this: https://github.com/wireapp/wire-desktop/issues/80

Then there is the fact that the client acts as a browser that fetches information from the web automatically without blocking trackers itself. This is leaking metadata and actual data.