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Re:Dropped (2014) by davidgerard on Saturday January 07, 2017 @10:33AM (#13344581)
This reminds me that I'm a sysadmin primarily because there's no money in music journalism [+], and in relative terms I now get paid by dumptruck.

[+] still potter with it at https://rocknerd.co.uk for what that's worth, but art criticism in general is completely fucked in all directions. You think the internet did a number on the record labels ...

Re:Dropped (2014) by robnagler on Saturday January 07, 2017 @01:20PM (#13345645)
I work in IT, because I fell in love with computers when I was nine. I get paid the same as you. My skill at being able to "juggle seven clubs" has no value. You know how to google as well as I do.

Today's Internet sensations make much more money than both of us. Their skill is in their audacity, with which I am genuinely impressed. Juggling fire is audacious. Juggling seven clubs is like being able to program well in Arc: an interesting skill with little or no commercial value.

You would not get money from YC just because your app was written in Arc. You almost certainly wouldn't get money if your site looked as bad as HN (unless it was already a runaway success like Reddit was when YC invested in it :).

It's interesting to me that PG puts any time in Arc. It's a bit like juggling clubs in his driveway. PG is probably his most brilliant at being a hacker, but that skill doesn't have the same ROI as being a VC.

More power to PG and Gatto for finding ways to make money while doing something valuable for society. Long live YC and Big Top Concrete!

Re:Dropped (2014) by davidgerard on Saturday January 07, 2017 @01:38PM (#13345751)
This story is me after I moved from near-unemployable nonprofit lifer to overpaid geek: http://thebaffler.com/blog/from-punk-house-to-penthouse-fros...

I was pushed into STEM hard at school, ‘cos I was fairly good at it! But I also suddenly gained an interest in music and pop culture and the analysis of it, which proceeded to occupy about 110% of my brain for much of my twenties. I struck out in tertiary education repeatedly attempting to get a STEMish qualification, and what actual paying work I got was music journalism (which to be honest I enjoyed even the tedious bits of), public servant or just plain office drone. I was a hot prospect for an underpaid overworked career as a paperpusher and/or bullshitter on the nonprofit/NGO circuit until I remembered I could work these computer things and got on the rather more lucrative career path.

Would I be happier as a severely insecure and underpaid humanities academic, writing probably much the same sort of stuff as I do now but more of it and showing more of my references? (the really good thing about music journalism is the freedom to be a primary source.) Well, I’d have a lot more fun with it. OTOH I eat vastly better on this path.

Re:Dropped (2014) by ktRolster on Saturday January 07, 2017 @06:03PM (#13347199)
Don't you still improve your musical skills, even though you are making money in STEM?
Re:Dropped (2014) by davidgerard on Sunday January 08, 2017 @03:55AM (#13348959)
Per link above, https://rocknerd.co.uk :-D

I even have a Soundcloud! https://soundcloud.com/diva-rose/ Though I am quite unlikely to become a pop star at 50.

Re:Dropped (2014) by ktRolster on Sunday January 08, 2017 @12:23PM (#13350774)
Though I am quite unlikely to become a pop star at 50.

You're unlikely to become a pop star at any age, and you won't fit into the typical teeny-bopper star at age 50, but.....for example, Seth McFarlane is doing rather well with his record sales, even though he's old and chubby and doesn't fit the 'typical' mold. Also, the Gorillaz. So it's something that can be done.

Re:Dropped (2014) by davidgerard on Sunday January 08, 2017 @06:38PM (#13352799)
And today I just found this:

http://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/biggest-british-debut-...

Look at who made the biggest-selling British debut album of 2016.

Re:Dropped (2014) by sbov on Saturday January 07, 2017 @02:29PM (#13346053)
> Juggling fire is audacious.

Is it? The article points out that juggling fire is no more dangerous than juggling pins. It only appears audacious to an ignorant audience.

Re:Dropped (2014) by Godel_unicode on Saturday January 07, 2017 @02:50PM (#13346208)
That's kind of the point though. The reality of the difficulty is unimportant, it's the perception of difficulty that matters.
Re:Dropped (2014) by sbov on Saturday January 07, 2017 @03:45PM (#13346519)
Then it's a dangerous parallel when talking about startups. Easy but impressive has no moat. Probably worse than easy but boring.
Re:Dropped (2014) by Godel_unicode on Saturday January 07, 2017 @05:35PM (#13347065)
Or it's impressive because the marketing and design is really good? Think Beats headphones; nothing special technically, horrible value proposition, yet you see them everywhere. Is that not a most?
Re:Dropped (2014) by sbov on Saturday January 07, 2017 @11:29PM (#13348256)
If by "marketing" you mean "celebrity endorsement". Beats was founded by Dr. Dre and featured by several hip hop artists and in several music videos.

Which is not said to denigrate Beats. By all means, play to your strengths. But it's certainly not an avenue obtainable by your average startup.

Beyond that, if you're talking a startup - especially an early startup - you probably aren't at the "I'm everywhere" stage yet.

We mostly self fund our companies. Easy and impressive, for us, tends to be a death knell. 6, maybe 12 months before someone bigger with more money comes into the market. Boring and easy is OK though, because people don't really pay much attention to boring.

Re:Dropped (2014) by fourthark on Saturday January 07, 2017 @04:28PM (#13346749)
Showmanship and perceived difficulty often seem to matter more than actual skill in writing code, too.
Re:Dropped (2014) by ianai on Saturday January 07, 2017 @11:02AM (#13344739)
And why I work in IT after studying economics after studying mathematics after studying philosophy. IT is pretty much dominating the world.
Re:Dropped (2014) by stale2002 on Saturday January 07, 2017 @04:34PM (#13346777)
Same here!

The joke I tell people is that "Economics majors know enough about Economics, to know that they should be getting the hell OUT of Economics and INTO Tech. Thanks Economics! For telling me why my decisions were wrong, and that I should be doing something else!"

Re:Dropped (2014) by ianai on Sunday January 08, 2017 @01:16PM (#13351067)
Seriously. Though finance may pay better. I still use economics for personal decisions. It helps to be able to understand leading data points and put together some data.
Re:Dropped (2014) by aoeuhtns on Saturday January 07, 2017 @12:25PM (#13345251)
And why I work in IT after doing so much biology.
Re:Dropped (2014) by whyileft on Saturday January 07, 2017 @01:15PM (#13345613)
Makes you wonder about what effects the current crash is going to have on employment numbers.
Re:Dropped (2014) by ianai on Saturday January 07, 2017 @01:52PM (#13345833)
The economy (US or global?) was forecast to go into recession in Nov 2016 but didn't. Granted, there seems to have been a post-Trump election business bump. That can easily wear off.
Re:Dropped (2014) by whyileft on Saturday January 07, 2017 @03:00PM (#13346265)
I was talking about tech specifically.
Re:Dropped (2014) by MrJagil on Saturday January 07, 2017 @12:31PM (#13345297)
" but art criticism in general is completely fucked in all directions. You think the internet did a number on the record labels ..."

As a label founder myself [+], I'm not unfamiliar with where you're going but I'm curious on your perspective. Care to elaborate?

[+] you plug i plug: scalatapes.net

Re:Dropped (2014) by davidgerard on Saturday January 07, 2017 @12:46PM (#13345419)
See Economist link below on what happened to the New Musical Express. Even in the '80s and '90s (when I was doing rock journalism for money), the pay was bloody dismal and the main attraction was that it beat working for a living; but even that's now largely gone.

The situation now:

* before the Internet, you could read about a record - but hearing it required hard work, happenstance or money we didn’t have. It could take years between seeing the name of some potentially-interesting band or song and actually hearing them. (Rather than just going to YouTube, where someone has lovingly ripped their old vinyl copy.) A note on this experience: https://rocknerd.co.uk/2016/06/02/false-memories-of-feelings... So before, music press got the word out about music before the music itself could get there. But it's no longer necessary to that function, even as it can still be useful.

* With the rise of blogs, opinion is as readily available as the music itself. Approximately nobody is going to pay money for this shit. (This is a special case of the problem affecting journalism in general.) Only the biggest blogs and sites can sell the ads they need to. Per comment below, The NME is now an entertainment guide given away outside tube stations. The problem for professional music critics/press is that they're competing with literally everyone everywhere now, the same problem artists have: https://rocknerd.co.uk/2013/09/13/culture-is-not-about-aesth...

About the only press I can think of that's done at all well is the tech press, who ripped down those tedious walls between editorial and advertising and reluctance to live off payola around the turn of the millennium and turned into utter and unapologetic shills. And even then the competition is bloody vicious.

tl;dr the problem: you and I are in competition with literally everyone now.

I'm not entirely displeased at music journalism being stabbed through its putrid little heart; way too much about it was gatekeeping rather than enthusiasm. I do think everything is much better now for culture.

Oh, and cheers to a label on Bandcamp :-D Bandcamp is IMO THE BEST thing to happen to selling music on the net, like, ever.

Re:Dropped (2014) by rospaya on Saturday January 07, 2017 @01:12PM (#13345597)
> This reminds me that I'm a sysadmin primarily because there's no money in music journalim

Ditto for me.

Re:Dropped (2014) by nihonde on Saturday January 07, 2017 @12:20PM (#13345218)
If there was a demand for people who write about music, it would still be a viable business. People just don't feel the need to pay for opinions in that area any more.
Re:Dropped (2014) by davidgerard on Saturday January 07, 2017 @12:27PM (#13345266)
That being what I just said!

The Economist gives some numbers: http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21663274-more-music-gi...