Grumpy: Go running Python

Re:Grumpy: Go running Python by pjmlp on Wednesday January 04, 2017 @03:40PM (#13321834)

I do follow Julia development and I am aware that it isn't quite there, but at least their community does embrace JIT compilation, not like Python that PyPy is just yet another project, ignored by the reference implementation.

> SciPy, which, you may not be aware, is basically C and Fortran code wrapped in Python API.

Which for me personally means, that I would rather C and Fortran directly or better yet, a C++, .NET or Java binding to them.

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Re:Grumpy: Go running Python by orf on Wednesday January 04, 2017 @07:30PM (#13323595)

> Which for me personally means, that I would rather C and Fortran directly or better yet, a C++, .NET or Java binding to them.

Being able to describe things with a syntax that looks almost like pseudocode and runs highly-optimized C/Fortran code to do heavy lifting has huge, huge advantages.

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Re:Grumpy: Go running Python by pjmlp on Thursday January 05, 2017 @02:19AM (#13325374)

Scala, Clojure, F# also allow it, with the added benefit of industrial strength JIT/AOT compilers.

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Re:Grumpy: Go running Python by orf on Thursday January 05, 2017 @04:51AM (#13325957)

Except without the great Python ecosystem and without great projects like Numpy/Scipy

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Re:Grumpy: Go running Python by pjmlp on Thursday January 05, 2017 @08:18AM (#13326850)

Numpy/Scipy are only relevant to a minor set of computer users, and even then, there are alternatives like LANPACK and BLAS.

Also Java and .NET ecosystems are just a little bigger than Python.

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Re:Grumpy: Go running Python by orf on Thursday January 05, 2017 @10:15AM (#13327685)

> there are alternatives like LANPACK and BLAS.

LANPACK + BLAS = scipy

> Numpy/Scipy are only relevant to a minor set of computer users..

> ... Java and .NET ...

Being able to describe things with a syntax that looks almost like pseudocode and runs highly-optimized C/Fortran code to do heavy lifting has huge, huge advantages.

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Re:Grumpy: Go running Python by pjmlp on Thursday January 05, 2017 @10:29AM (#13327845)

> LANPACK + BLAS = scipy

Thanks, I already knew that.

> Being able to describe things with a syntax that looks almost like pseudocode and runs highly-optimized C/Fortran code to do heavy lifting has huge, huge advantages.

Hence we are back at Scala, Clojure, F#, enjoying the respective AOT/JIT native code compilers, and integrating with that highly-optimized C/Fortran code.

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Re:Grumpy: Go running Python by JPKab on Tuesday January 10, 2017 @11:32AM (#13366071)

I use Scala and Clojure. I like F#. Have you ever worked at an actual business that needs to hire developers that know these languages WELL? I can tell you that the significant added cost can't be justified by the not-very-big benefits compared to just using Scipy.

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Re:Grumpy: Go running Python by orf on Thursday January 05, 2017 @10:58AM (#13328128)

> Scala, Clojure, F#

Functional languages. The "year of Linux on the desktop" of programming languages. Also none of those look like pseudocode (Scala does if you ignore bits and squint).

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Re:Grumpy: Go running Python by pjmlp on Thursday January 05, 2017 @01:56PM (#13330186)

The amount of job postings say otherwise.

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Re:Grumpy: Go running Python by orf on Saturday January 07, 2017 @09:22AM (#13344251)

No they don't. On stack overflow jobs F# has 14 posts, closure 28 and Scala ~100. Python has 400+.

Other sites have similar totals. But they are filtering for London/UK/Europe, so that might be a bias.

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