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Re:Summary of the Neural Information Processing Systems Conf... by jostmey on Monday January 02, 2017 @06:50PM (#13305478)
Quote: "many top hedge funds and trading shops came to NIPS to run career booths, but there was a surprising lack of interest from attendees compared to the likes of Apple, Facebook, Deepmind, Google, etc."

Maybe Apple, Facebook, and Google think they can develop their talent in house from their programmers?

Re:Summary of the Neural Information Processing Systems Conf... by deepnotderp on Monday January 02, 2017 @07:08PM (#13305574)
No that quote is just wrong, the big four were there heavily, and literally no one cared about the financial institution's booths.
Re:Summary of the Neural Information Processing Systems Conf... by ericjang on Monday January 02, 2017 @07:12PM (#13305591)
Sorry, that was what I meant to say. My wording was confusing
Re:Summary of the Neural Information Processing Systems Conf... by ericjang on Monday January 02, 2017 @09:24PM (#13306176)
(I've edited my blog post to clarify this)
Re:Summary of the Neural Information Processing Systems Conf... by deepnotderp on Monday January 02, 2017 @09:51PM (#13306297)
No worries, typos happen :) Love your blog btw, especially the gumbel-softmax explainer! Keep it up :)
Re:Summary of the Neural Information Processing Systems Conf... by eanzenberg on Monday January 02, 2017 @07:51PM (#13305775)
Dunno why that's surprising to the author. Those tech companies will pay for a good data scientist about 2x what a hedge fund would pay the same person initially. Hedge funds and finance company pay will increase more over time though, once they have a good track record.
Re:Summary of the Neural Information Processing Systems Conf... by busterarm on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @02:43AM (#13307481)
Most of the tech people I know working in finance are very disillusioned.

The common complaint is that regardless of performance, their pay increases and bonuses end up being shit YOY and that the only way to make serious money is to hop from company to company every year.

One friend who builds trading infrastructure has increased his pay from $180k to north of $480k just by doing this and is about to go to his 5th or 6th fund (in roughly as many years). He kills it, ends up getting the token bonus they give tech people, waits out his non-compete and leaves.

They treat tech talent as commodity just as much as anywhere else. The other downsides being you usually can't trade your own account while employed.

Said friend would prefer to start a fund soon rather than keep this up as he'd rather be able to trade.

Re:Summary of the Neural Information Processing Systems Conf... by argonaut on Monday January 02, 2017 @10:47PM (#13306524)
Hedge funds and quant finance pays way way way more than Google/Facebook/etc.

To whatever extent they have trouble attracting researchers it's because you will never be able to publish anything or talk about your work in a finance firm. Academia is status/reputation/ego driven (not that there's anything wrong with this).

Re:Summary of the Neural Information Processing Systems Conf... by Teodolfo on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @04:27AM (#13307972)
How much do they pay? And how is the pay structured?
Re:Summary of the Neural Information Processing Systems Conf... by argonaut on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @02:19PM (#13312125)
It is heavily bonus centric. In theory it is unlimited, based on how much you make the firm, which is why you could theoretically make millions any given year (rare).

My friends in quant finance made more than 200k guaranteed their first years (not including performance bonus), and they did not have graduate degrees. It went up to more than half a million in a few years (including bonus).

Re:Summary of the Neural Information Processing Systems Conf... by eanzenberg on Thursday January 05, 2017 @12:31AM (#13325000)
Are they in more research oriented roles? A basic good Quant Analyst at Google or Data Scientist, Analytics at Facebook will easily clear 200k but these aren't machine learning research experts.
Re:Summary of the Neural Information Processing Systems Conf... by argonaut on Thursday January 05, 2017 @06:26PM (#13332462)
Are those masters/PhD's? My data points were people with no graduate degrees.

The ramp up and ceiling is much higher in finance. First year salary for someone with a bachelors in a finance company may be comparable to someone with a masters/PhD in a tech company, sure.

Re:Summary of the Neural Information Processing Systems Conf... by cscurmudgeon on Monday January 02, 2017 @07:06PM (#13305563)
Google/MSFT/Baidu/Yahoo have a heavy presence at IJCAI.

http://ijcai-16.org/index.php/welcome/view/sponsors

And at ICML

http://icml.cc/2016/?page_id=63

Have been to Google booths at IJCAI and got selected for interviewing based on my interaction at the booths.

Re:Summary of the Neural Information Processing Systems Conf... by js4 on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @11:06AM (#13310037)
It's worth noting that it was the research groups of the big four that showed up to NipS --Google Brain, deepmind, Microsoft research, etc.

Publishing isn't the focus of hedge funds so they don't get a lot of love.

It makes sense that academics would be interested in working for a company that will still allow the academic to publish.