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Re:Organ donation becomes opt-out in France by Mc_Big_G on Monday January 02, 2017 @11:29AM (#13302074)
"I don't even care why you would want to keep all your organs after death"

I don't, but I also want every measure to be taken to ensure I survive. With the corruption and dishonesty we've seen from the police all the way to the highest levels of government, I no longer believe my best interests will be honored. I used to be a donor, but I've lost faith in our institutions, especially when it comes to Healthcare. Do you trust insurance companies? If so, why?

Re:Organ donation becomes opt-out in France by pzh on Monday January 02, 2017 @11:53AM (#13302287)
Why is this downvoted? I think it's a valid concern.

How do you know that in some small village somewhere the local government isn't so corrupt as to make sure the organ donation process gets 'speeded up' to serve the need of some wealthy/influential organ recipient in waiting?

Re:Organ donation becomes opt-out in France by raesene9 on Monday January 02, 2017 @12:10PM (#13302460)
I didn't downvote, but I've got to say I don't think it is a valid concern.

If you honestly have so little faith in local government that you believe they would change the care options of a patient to "speed up" organ donation, what makes you think they wouldn't disregard the patients preferences on organ donation and just remove the relavent item after death and before handing the body over to the family?

Re:Organ donation becomes opt-out in France by pzh on Monday January 02, 2017 @12:15PM (#13302519)
Aren't you effectively saying that it's pointless to lock your house, because if a thief is immoral enough to enter and steal your TV, they'd be immoral enough to break the lock as well?
Re:Organ donation becomes opt-out in France by raesene9 on Monday January 02, 2017 @12:52PM (#13302851)
nope I'm saying that one is as easy or indeed easier than another. Once you assume an immoral authority has control over patient care it's frankly easier and less risky for them just to remove organs without patient consent after death, than deliberately give poor care to hasten the patient's demise.
Re:Organ donation becomes opt-out in France by jlg23 on Monday January 02, 2017 @01:09PM (#13303021)
a) My patient might be dead by the time the donor dies, less profit for me.

b) "deliberately poor care" or "generous amounts of painkillers"? The alternative phrasing is exactly how assisted suicide works in societies where it is not legal.

And here some story reported in 2012, in Germany (English article, though): http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/organ-transplant...

Re:Organ donation becomes opt-out in France by alendit on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @02:55AM (#13307526)
Did you read the article? Patients were pushed to the top of the list, no donor was given subpar treatment, that would be murder.
Re:Organ donation becomes opt-out in France by finiter on Monday January 02, 2017 @01:15PM (#13303072)
If you don't want a thief to steal your TV, marking the 'Don't Rob Me' box on your Driver's License is not a useful protection.
Re:Organ donation becomes opt-out in France by Frondo on Monday January 02, 2017 @01:11PM (#13303038)
I don't think it's a valid concern, because they're effectively calling doctors murderers working on behalf of a nearby wealthy person.

If the system has broken down to where doctors will kill patients for the nearby wealthy person, why not just kill you outright to steal your organs?

Re:Organ donation becomes opt-out in France by ghaff on Monday January 02, 2017 @03:00PM (#13303936)
It's also not how donated organ allocation happens in the US. A hospital can't just grab an organ from a local donor and use it.

And, if someone thinks the system is so corrupt that those processes aren't followed, I'm not sure what laws etc. will make a difference.

Re:Organ donation becomes opt-out in France by putlake on Monday January 02, 2017 @01:03PM (#13302968)
There is a paper trail, at least in developed countries with a formal waiting list. So a corrupt authority harvesting organs without consent cannot just use it without informing the registry about where the organ came from.
Re:Organ donation becomes opt-out in France by arjie on Monday January 02, 2017 @01:43PM (#13303317)
These corrupt doctors are willing to kill people and/or steal their organs, but they insist on notifying the registry before they put the stolen organs in the recipient? Sounds absurd, man.
Re:Organ donation becomes opt-out in France by Freak_NL on Monday January 02, 2017 @12:12PM (#13302481)
Objectively, this depends a lot on where you live, and subjectively, on how you perceive your government and society. Regardless, you can opt-out.

You argument makes sense if a state made organ donation mandatory, but I don't think any country has such a law.

Re:Organ donation becomes opt-out in France by zdean on Monday January 02, 2017 @12:45PM (#13302796)
If we've moved from opt-in to opt-out, what do you think is the next logical step in that path if not mandatory donation? And if the argument is that we should move to opt-out because "greater good", then what's the argument against mandatory donations?
Re:Organ donation becomes opt-out in France by alendit on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @02:58AM (#13307536)
This is slippery slope fallacy. The argument against mandatory donations is exactly that - it's makes donations mandatory, while opt-out gives you choice and just changes the default.

If you seriously fear for your life as a registered donor, it should be not too much work to check one box.

Re:Organ donation becomes opt-out in France by colinbartlett on Monday January 02, 2017 @12:54PM (#13302874)
If there is mandatory donation, or even if there is opt-out, wouldn't that increase the supply to meet the demand, thereby reducing any incentive for profit on the sale of organs and eliminating any motive for corruption?
Re:Organ donation becomes opt-out in France by zdean on Monday January 02, 2017 @01:05PM (#13302992)
If the end justifies the means, then I think it's irrelevant whether the change causes demand to be met so long as more people get the organs they need. On the other hand, if you don't believe that the end justifies the means, then it's completely irrelevant because you have to respect people's choices over their bodies (even posthumously) even if you think they are misguided or 'selfish'.
Re:Organ donation becomes opt-out in France by halfdgvfyjjuc on Monday January 02, 2017 @01:27PM (#13303182)
Only if the supply actually increased enough to actually meet demand. It is far from clear that it would.
Re:Organ donation becomes opt-out in France by arjie on Monday January 02, 2017 @01:41PM (#13303303)
Why does there have to be a next step?
Re:Organ donation becomes opt-out in France by Freak_NL on Monday January 02, 2017 @01:12PM (#13303047)
Both opt-in and opt-out offer you the same degree of choice; neither is a step towards mandatory organ donation.