Re:The real reason grocery stores are running out of whipped...
by yellowapple on Saturday December 24, 2016 @08:56PM
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"Neither Kraft, which makes Cool Whip, nor Saputo, which sells whipped cream under the Land O’Lakes label, responded to questions about whether they too would see shortages."
Would Cool Whip be affected by this? Cool Whip ain't typically distributed in a spray can, last I checked; does it still use nitrous oxide as a preservative?
Re:The real reason grocery stores are running out of whipped...
by lightlyused on Saturday December 24, 2016 @10:23PM
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I buy heavy cream from http://www.snowvillecreamery.com/ and whip my own. So easy and much more tasty. Ever see people at a concert selling balloons? Those are filled with nitrous oxide. Wonder how this will affect them?
Re:The real reason grocery stores are running out of whipped...
by ars on Sunday December 25, 2016 @12:13AM
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I presume you mean illegal nitrous oxide in the balloons? I would assume those come from diverted medical supply, and the article said medical supply is served first.
Re:The real reason grocery stores are running out of whipped...
by ChuckMcM on Sunday December 25, 2016 @01:10AM
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Manufacturing cream + powdered sugar + mixer on high = much yum!
Its always interesting to learn that the 'one thing' everyone uses is vulnerable (like the expoxy that goes into IC packages[1]). Given its pretty easy to make Nitrous Oxide out of Ammonium Nitrate[2] why not make it on site?
Re:The real reason grocery stores are running out of whipped...
by microcolonel on Sunday December 25, 2016 @01:42AM
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Seems like a non-issue. Whipping cream by hand takes less than ten minutes and it's quite good. It's not going to be as fluffy and light as the stuff with nitrous oxide, but for topping I think that's not the point.
Re:The real reason grocery stores are running out of whipped...
by anexprogrammer on Sunday December 25, 2016 @08:26AM
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"Quite good"? LOL
From a can it's always UHT so tastes, for want of a better word, industrial. Though I'd just call it horrible and would be offended if served it. Let's be clear, no one is going to mistake it for real cream.
Real whipping cream and a couple of mins with balloon whisk is the only way to go.
Re:The real reason grocery stores are running out of whipped...
by microcolonel on Sunday December 25, 2016 @11:52AM
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He's referring to "ultra-high temperature" pasteurized creams. I figure, from what he's saying, that this type of cream is required for the nitrous oxide process.
Honestly I prefer the nitrous whipped creams, hand-whipped heavy/whipping cream is second for me. Alex seems to think that flavour is universal, and that all the people who like other flavours than him are plants from the food and beverage industry.
Re:The real reason grocery stores are running out of whipped...
by cafard on Sunday December 25, 2016 @08:43AM
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Given the speed with which one can whip heavy cream, I have a hard time seeing the use of canned stuff. Whipping your own gives you a container and a couple of blender paddles to clean, and that apart takes maybe a minute more. I have to think that it tastes a lot better, too.
(I should add that before I met my wife, it would never have occurred to me to do this. On the other hand, I'm not sure I ever bought the canned stuff, either.)
Re:The real reason grocery stores are running out of whipped...
by SixSigma on Sunday December 25, 2016 @01:50PM
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The total cost of ownership of a blender is more than the annual outsourcing of whipped cream preparation.
If your assertion of people own blenders were true, there would be no whipped cream shortage, unless there is widespread ignorance amongst cream whipping equipment owners of the possibility of satisfying their demand with the means of producton in their possession.
Re:The real reason grocery stores are running out of whipped...
by dozzie on Sunday December 25, 2016 @03:12PM
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Warning: low flying propositional logic. It's something that is commonly
taught to law and philosophy students, not only mathematicians.
> If your assertion of people own blenders were true, there would be no whipped cream shortage [...]
Let's take it from here. My assertion was that people own blenders for more
than just whipped cream. In other words, I claim that people use blenders
also for other things.
Given the article's claim that there is "whipped cream shortage" and how
implication ("if..then..") works, you basically say that my assertion is
invalid, meaning that people only use blenders for whipped cream.
Now go back and rethink what your stance is and how to convey it, because you
surely didn't mean that.
Re:The real reason grocery stores are running out of whipped...
by dTal on Monday December 26, 2016 @03:45PM
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I am deeply suspicious of your cost-of-ownership claim. I own a small hand blender that cost next to nothing and I forget I own it until eggnog season, whereupon I use it to beat literally gallons of cream.
> “This story is a metaphor for the vulnerability of the entire food system,” said Daniel Block
However it seems to some what contradict it self:
> consumers will still be able to get whipped cream this season if they’re willing to compromise or look around
> There will also be no impact on non-aerosol whipped cream products
I am ok with the food industries resilience being across brands or even category (i.e. aerosol v non-aerosol).
Would Cool Whip be affected by this? Cool Whip ain't typically distributed in a spray can, last I checked; does it still use nitrous oxide as a preservative?
And yeah, Cool Whip is barely a dairy product, and doesn't require propellant. So no N₂O involved.
Not necessarily. A lot of head shops in Berkeley sell capsules full of nitrous, if you want to make your own whipped cream.
https://www.amazon.com/Cafe-Creme-Nitrous-Whipped-Chargers/d.... They look like C02 cartridges for airguns.
Coincidentally, the same stores sell balloons and devices (crackers) for releasing the nitrous from the cartridges.
It depends very much on what sort of concerts you attend.
Its always interesting to learn that the 'one thing' everyone uses is vulnerable (like the expoxy that goes into IC packages[1]). Given its pretty easy to make Nitrous Oxide out of Ammonium Nitrate[2] why not make it on site?
[1] From 1993 - https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1309&dat=19930819&id=...
[2] http://chemistry.about.com/od/makechemicalsyourself/ss/How-T...
From a can it's always UHT so tastes, for want of a better word, industrial. Though I'd just call it horrible and would be offended if served it. Let's be clear, no one is going to mistake it for real cream.
Real whipping cream and a couple of mins with balloon whisk is the only way to go.
Honestly I prefer the nitrous whipped creams, hand-whipped heavy/whipping cream is second for me. Alex seems to think that flavour is universal, and that all the people who like other flavours than him are plants from the food and beverage industry.
(I should add that before I met my wife, it would never have occurred to me to do this. On the other hand, I'm not sure I ever bought the canned stuff, either.)
If your assertion of people own blenders were true, there would be no whipped cream shortage, unless there is widespread ignorance amongst cream whipping equipment owners of the possibility of satisfying their demand with the means of producton in their possession.
> If your assertion of people own blenders were true, there would be no whipped cream shortage [...]
Let's take it from here. My assertion was that people own blenders for more than just whipped cream. In other words, I claim that people use blenders also for other things.
Given the article's claim that there is "whipped cream shortage" and how implication ("if..then..") works, you basically say that my assertion is invalid, meaning that people only use blenders for whipped cream.
Now go back and rethink what your stance is and how to convey it, because you surely didn't mean that.
My point being is that plenty of people don't want to own a blender and obviously are happy paying to outsource their whipped cream requirements.