Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective

Re:Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective by sagichmal on Friday December 16, 2016 @12:37PM (#13195035)

tyingq, your line of inquiry reads as a rather aggressive litigation of someone who is a self-identified victim of harassment. I can't speak to your soul, so I don't know if it's intentional or not, but in so doing, you're actually contributing to the harassment in some small way. Other women who read this story and these comments could see the way you're doubting and questioning the author on her experiences, and easily take that as stay silent on her own negative experiences. Think about the effects of your words; defer to empathy over suspicion :)

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Re:Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective by abalone on Friday December 16, 2016 @03:13PM (#13196360)

Asking basic factual questions is not "aggressive litigation". It's true that the piece is heavy on prescription and short on detailed accounting of what happened.

Providing detail would actually advance the cause of fighting harassment. It would better help everyone identify its specific forms even at companies that have diversity programs in place. In light of that, absence of detail should absolutely warrant inquiry.

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Re:Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective by smsowmya on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @10:16AM (#13220474)

https://mfbt.ca/some-garbage-i-used-to-believe-about-equalit...

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Re:Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective by tyingq on Friday December 16, 2016 @02:39PM (#13196097)

>Think about the effects of your words

That's fair enough. For what it's worth, I do have sympathy, and I do believe that some people treated her in a sexist manner.

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Re:Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective by digler999 on Friday December 16, 2016 @05:14PM (#13197385)

I dont think you read her blog post. she wasn't just treated in a sexist manner. That sparked the issue, which turned into alleged bullying an harassment by most of her team. You dont have to be a woman to understand how badly that would suck.

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Re:Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective by smsowmya on Saturday December 17, 2016 @09:39AM (#13200856)

thanks for the defense. a woman would have to be foolish to create such a ruckus about "just sexism". we just suck that part up as part of our jobs.

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Re:Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective by digler999 on Saturday December 17, 2016 @12:45PM (#13201567)

> a woman would have to be foolish to create such a ruckus about "just sexism".

I disagree, and that's not what I intended with my use of the word "just". It seemed to me like the poster was saying "look, no sexism here in this sub-incident" and I meant that your post wasn't just about sexism, it was about harassment.

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Re:Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective by smsowmya on Saturday December 17, 2016 @01:33PM (#13201770)

I think I was being sarcastic. Publishing this post has been a draining experience for me and I don't think I can be trusted to make coherent arguments about this issue for a while now. :-/ I didn't expect it to pick up the way it did since this was a re-post after a barely noticeable first attempt.

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Re:Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective by sagichmal on Saturday December 17, 2016 @02:02PM (#13201899)

For the record, I really appreciate that you took the time to record these events and make clear the sorts of things that you experienced. Even though it's hard to see now, from the commenters in this thread and others, I think stories like yours are important, especially as they contribute to a broader narrative. I hope and believe that we are working towards a sort of inflection point, where the scales tip and this sort of subtle and subversive nonsense is reliably identified, acknowledged, and rejected.

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Re:Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective by smsowmya on Saturday December 17, 2016 @01:05PM (#13201646)

I understand what you meant, but what I said is that public discussions on these issues are career-impacting, and usually negatively. As painful as sexism is, I don't think it is practical to make a public discussion out of it - there is usually a threshold.

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Re:Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective by digler999 on Saturday December 17, 2016 @05:39PM (#13203131)

as a male, I'm sorry you had to endure any of it.

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Re:Harassment at Apple: A personal perspective by smsowmya on Sunday December 18, 2016 @01:08AM (#13204599)

thanks :-) and i really do appreciate your support of me in the threads. more than one guy has defended my post for me and that has been encouraging to see :-) honestly, not all men at apple are jerks either. its just that the jerks tend to be the loudest.

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