It's like calling a Tesla "an electric version of the same cars that were on the road for decades". Each headphone has a new chip that could probably run a whole smartphone few years ago - but I mean, if the fact that they are wireless is not impressive, then I don't think we can convince you.

He's probably not impressed by the fact they're wireless because wireless headphones aren't new. I mean, even stodgy grumps like me have a pair that works well and cost $20. Wireless headphones just aren't impressive technology in December 2016. They've been done. Again and again. This isn't a Tesla situation by any means.

Apple might have executed particularly well, but I see his point.

>I mean, even stodgy grumps like me have a pair that works well and cost $20.

Wireless headphones that "work well" don't cost $20. And especially in this form factor (separate).

I'm not saying they're the greatest ever, but sync was easy, they play music without any problems, they hold a charge for a few days, and they haven't broken. What more does it take for a pair of Bluetooth headphones to work well? My expectations are pretty low.

They could absolutely be better, if for example, the charge lasted two weeks, or the sound was higher quality (I'm no audiophile but I'm sure if I was I'd find they could be better) but they're Good Enough.

Wireless headphones aren't new. Wireless headphones at that size/feature set/price point seem to be. The only comparable thing I know if is Samsung reportedly had some similar but they only had like 90m of battery life.

I'm curious how well the battery life claims hold up. It's impressive but sometimes the real world battery life doesn't measure up. The new MacBook Pros are a good example of this (even if the current battery life is temporary and may be fixed by OS updates).

Apple tends to be highly accurate on battery life measurements. If they 5 hours playing music I believe them.

The problem with the MBP is its 10 hours of a 'light workload'. And it meets that. But a HEAVY workload may be 4 hours and they don't advertise that.

I don't remember reviewers saying anything bad about battery life on the AirPods back in October.

Eh, you said it... YOU believe them. A lot of people here don't anymore.

Let's wait to see what real world use looks like. I mean, if you take the emoji touch bar at face value it's the coolest thing since sliced bread. However, real world use indicates that it might not be as useful as Apple wants it to be.

I think you misunderstood me. What I said is that Apple's numbers are highly accurate FOR WHAT THEY TESTED.

The problem here is that Apple hasn't given numbers about what it's like under heavy load. Or really any load it all. If you stick to doing the kind of things Apple does in their battery life test you WILL get what they say.

Unfortunately as we seem to be finding out if you go outside of that you're screwed. Obviously harder workloads always hit the computer more, but this year the delta seems much much higher. They are cherry picking tests that make their battery life look reasonable.

I should also note that this is not the first time Apple did this. The quoted battery life on the iPhone 7 is basically the same as before, but they made a slight change to the wording. This year there tests are all with wireless headphones. This is likely because it's always been down that using the speaker on an iPhone to listen to music will lower your battery life pretty significantly, and now that the new iPhone 7 has a double speaker arrangement it's likely an even bigger effect than before.

Apples not lying like so many PC makers used to do, they're playing lawyer games and choosing their words incredibly carefully.

This is not a good turn. Apple giving real life accurate battery estimates used to be one of the things that put them above PC makers in my mind. If they're going to start redefining the workload to doing nothing on your computer... why bother?

I was responding to this line by the parent commenter.

> Because it IS an entry into a nascent market. Apple sees this as a new IO device, not a "pair of fucking headphones".

It really is just a pair of headphones. This isn't a new market.

Are you seriously suggesting these are the first wireless headphones?

Honest question: can you point me to some other earbuds of the same size that are totally wireless (not even a bridging wire) and that also include a microphone, etc.?

The AirPods honestly do seem like a somewhat unique entry into the market to me, but it's such a crowded market that I could have easily missed a competitor somewhere.

That said, the lack of any sort of wiring is actually a negative to me, because that's primarily what makes it seem like these will be so easy to lose.

The Bragi Dash and the Samsung Gear Icon X both do this, and also include fitness tracking functionality. The Samsung ones can even be loaded with music and cache your fitness data so you don't need a phone with you.

Bragi Dash: $249.99 after $50 off

https://www.amazon.com/Bragi-Truly-Wireless-Smart-Earphones/...

I think this is hilarious, even as someone who owns multiple Apple devices. "This is revolutionary. Nothing else does anything like this." "These do." "Well they cost more!", or "doesn't look as cool". Moving goalposts.

And eh, I realize that Apple almost never goes below MSRP/list, but don't act like the "after $50 off" is some special promotion. It's not a rebate, even an instant one, just 'cheaper than list'.

'Hilarious' describes the claim higher up that Apple didn't do anything to see here because wireless headphones are $20.

In reality, the only thing close costs markedly more, not at MSRP but at real selling price.

There's a reality distortion field, but it's inverted.

Not hilarious, just tedious.

Holy shit, friend.

Motorola VerveOnes - $150

SmartOmi Boots Mini - $75

Rowkin Bit Stereo - $110

Rowkin Mini Plus - $60

Sol Republic Amps Air - $150

Your lack of awareness of the market does not mean that it does not exist. It is not helpful to pretend that your unwillingness to do simple research on the matter makes you an expert.

I will now predict your next objections:

"I don't like these companies"

"These are not exactly the same product"

"The colors are off"

"The Apple Store doesn't carry them"

I wasn't proposing an exhaustive sampling, but you also haven't satisfied the $20 claim above.

Even Reddit finds more plausible comps:

- Samsung Gear IconX ($200) 4GB of on-board storage+, fitness tracking+ -- 1.6 Hours

- Motorola VerveOnes ($200) Can look up last connected location if lost+ -- 2-3 Hours

- Bragi Dash ($300) Fitness tracking+, gesture control+, 4GB storage+, Audio passthrough+ -- 4 Hours

- Bragi Headphone ($150) Hardware buttons+, no case charging or BLE -- 6 Hours

- Earin M-1 ($200) claims good sound quality+, no mics- -- 3 Hours

- Jabra Elite Sport ($250) Fitness tracking+, waterproof+ -- 3 Hours

- Apple Airpods ($160) W1 Chip to quickly switch devices+, Can use either headphone independently+, 24 add hrs of charge in case, only comes in one size- -- 5 Hours

I'm not sure your list is made of nice things:

- "Sol Republic Amps Air Are Truly Wireless Earbuds That Kind of Suck" http://gizmodo.com/sol-republic-amps-air-are-truly-wireless-...

- "Review: Apple AirPods Are Pretty F--king Cool" http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/review-apple-airpods-are...

yeah this falls under "that isn't exactly the same product," above. I'm not sure, for instance, why you left 'can use either headphone independently' off the Gear IconX entry, because you can. I'm not sure why about half of these entries leave out the charge-case entry, because a lot of them have it.

But it's irrelevant. You can say "apple's product is better." You can say "these other products are terrible." You can even say "I hate everything that is not from Cupertino." But the claim here is that these things are some kind of revolution. The claim we are trying to rebut is not "apple airpods suck and are not worth buying." I, and many others, are merely explaining that there is nothing magical or even particularly new about airpods. They are an iteration on an existing product segment.

You, so far, have done nothing to demonstrate otherwise.

I didn't say any of these things you keep saying I'm saying, so I'm not trying to demonstrate otherwise.

i got smartomi boot. it is cheaper alternative for the apple airpods i buy with a discount code at cnet https://www.cnet.com/news/get-a-pair-of-waterproof-wire-free...

No one is suggesting that.

There are not many wireless earbuds in this form-factor / category.

I think you just did, not OP.

For starters, it has a CPU. Also it has an accelerometer. Also it has a microphone.

Hope this answers your question.