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Re:Confirmation of the topology of the Wendelstein 7-X stell... by Animats on Sunday December 11, 2016 @03:17AM (#13150135)
Wow. I'd seen renders of the proposed magnet geometry, and it looked like a nightmare to build. They actually built it successfully. It was built by welding curved parts together, not 3D printing the thing in metal. It uses a superconducting magnet, which means having to wind coils from somewhat brittle niobium-titanium alloy. These are strangely-shaped non-planar coils which operate at liquid helium temperatures a few centimeters from 100 million degree plasma.

Here's an industrial view of the construction project.[1] Considerable new manufacturing technology had to be developed to build this. One minor component is a diamond window 120mm across and 1.8mm thick, soldered into a stainless steel frame with copper-silver-titanium solder.

Cost €370M. Look at the construction pictures and you can see why.

I wonder how the Skunk Works fusion project is coming along. They have an even stranger geometry. The only word out of Lockheed is that there's been enough progress to justify spending more of Lockheed's money on the project.

[1] https://www.ipp.mpg.de/987655/w7x_and_industry_en.pdf

Re:Confirmation of the topology of the Wendelstein 7-X stell... by 2sk21 on Sunday December 11, 2016 @06:17AM (#13150580)
The attached PDF is wonderful. Is there any other cluster of companies in the world capable of such high-precision mechanical and electrical engineering outside of northern Europe?
Re:Confirmation of the topology of the Wendelstein 7-X stell... by tsomctl on Monday December 12, 2016 @11:11AM (#13159078)
If you like the pdf, you might like this tour of the shop that makes a lot of the stuff for Lawrence Livermore labs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmmNRaKpBTI
Re:Confirmation of the topology of the Wendelstein 7-X stell... by criminalpatto on Tuesday December 13, 2016 @04:17AM (#13165577)
If you read carefully 2 of the suppliers are Italian : CLP for the central ring and Ansaldo for the superconductiong magnets.
Re:Confirmation of the topology of the Wendelstein 7-X stell... by leoc on Sunday December 11, 2016 @04:09PM (#13153238)
> Wow. I'd seen renders of the proposed magnet geometry, and it looked like a nightmare to build.

Not an expert, but ... imagine trying to successfully build a stellarator as irregular and sinuous as this in the 1960s! You can see why they didn't try.

Re:Confirmation of the topology of the Wendelstein 7-X stell... by m_mueller on Sunday December 11, 2016 @03:41AM (#13150189)
370M sounds cheap actually. This would probably be billions for the same in the US.
Re:Confirmation of the topology of the Wendelstein 7-X stell... by lorenzhs on Sunday December 11, 2016 @04:34AM (#13150335)
Well, the €370 million is (iirc) only the cost of the parts. The total expenses (including personnel cost) for construction are €1.06 billion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendelstein_7-X#History)
Re:Confirmation of the topology of the Wendelstein 7-X stell... by Tade0 on Sunday December 11, 2016 @05:25AM (#13150452)
Funny how this is roughly how much it costs to design a new car model.
Re:Confirmation of the topology of the Wendelstein 7-X stell... by amelius on Sunday December 11, 2016 @05:51AM (#13150519)
Still a factor of 3-4 within the cost of setting up a semiconductor fab.

And a factor of 66 within the valuation of Uber :)

Re:Confirmation of the topology of the Wendelstein 7-X stell... by andrepd on Sunday December 11, 2016 @05:55PM (#13153926)
Apples and oranges, but I get your point.
Re:Confirmation of the topology of the Wendelstein 7-X stell... by venomsnake on Sunday December 11, 2016 @03:31PM (#13153025)
So - half a mile of subway extension in metropolitan area ... still cheap.
Re:Confirmation of the topology of the Wendelstein 7-X stell... by dom0 on Sunday December 11, 2016 @06:57AM (#13150703)
There are a couple podcasts involving the project leads (all in German afaik), which also discuss some of the "interesting" challenges and approaches.

There's just so much stuff there, impossible to summarize.