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Re:Amazon Go by Merad on Monday December 05, 2016 @10:43AM (#13106089)
I hate it when companies offer a "how this works" section that doesn't actually tell you a damned thing about how it works.

* How does my Amazon account get associated with the items I take?

* How are items detected when leaving the store? If my friend and I walk out side by side, how does it know (if it does) which items are mine and which are hers?

* What happens when someone picks up an item and leaves without first doing whatever check-in/registration/setup is necessary?

Re:Amazon Go by Peroni on Monday December 05, 2016 @11:45AM (#13106708)
These are purely assumptions based on what I saw on the video alone:

>If my friend and I walk out side by side, how does it know (if it does) which items are mine and which are hers?

Looks like the entry/exit is the same type of set-up you find at most large office buildings with the tap in/out gates (see screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/e7fDglY.jpg). I assume it only lets one person out at a time which also suggests your friend could only enter the store if they had an amazon go account and tapped in themselves.

>What happens when someone picks up an item and leaves without first doing whatever check-in/registration/setup is necessary?

Again, based on those gates, I'd assume you can't actually access the store without going through the necessary set-up first.

Personally, I'd like to know what happens if/when my phone battery dies in-store.

Re:Amazon Go by csears on Monday December 05, 2016 @12:22PM (#13107110)
It looks like you don't need to scan anything when exiting. So your phone could die once you're in the store and you'd still be able to check out.

I'm guessing the Amazon Go app generates a one-time-use QR code that gets scanned on entry and then security/tracking cameras follow you all over the store. If the cameras see you in front of an item when its RFID sensor detects it was picked up, they make an educated guess that you picked it up. Then they can re-scan all the RFIDs as you exit for extra confirmation.

Re:Amazon Go by phire on Monday December 05, 2016 @02:48PM (#13108700)
They probably don't have RFID sensors on the shelving, and if they did they would only be able to detect when you walk several feet away from the shelf, and would have huge problems if two people were standing right next to each other at the shelf.

It looks like they have a row of cameras along the top of each shelf that will be used to detect when you pick up and place items back down.

The RFID tags are mostly useful at the gates to confirm the visual data and feed back into the machine learning algorithm.

Re:Amazon Go by jtmarmon on Monday December 05, 2016 @01:23PM (#13107799)
i believe this is it too, mainly because of their mentions of machine learning and computer vision in the post.
Re:Amazon Go by komali2 on Monday December 05, 2016 @12:07PM (#13106943)
Or if you lose your internet connection. or if your app crashes.
Re:Amazon Go by luciusism on Monday December 05, 2016 @01:32PM (#13107888)
Re:Amazon Go by homerguy69 on Monday December 05, 2016 @11:15AM (#13106413)
Its probably too creepy in terms of privacy to detail how it works which in turn will give themselves PR. I can only assume it uses arrays of cameras and sensors with deep learning. Glorious amounts of tracking data.
Re:Amazon Go by zenware on Monday December 05, 2016 @01:36PM (#13107942)
My current best guess is, basically what you've suggested. The Amazon Go page says "Computer Vision" which means "Cameras, Cameras Everywhere!". It also says "Sensor Fusion," I bet that means at the very least "Wifi and Bluetooth," with which they'll use to place your location on a virtual map of the store. That location could then be compared with the computer vision object tracking location to "double check" that you really are at that location. And so on.
Re:Amazon Go by gr3yh47 on Monday December 05, 2016 @12:53PM (#13107483)
yep. full on dystopian tracking was my first thought.
Re:Amazon Go by btym on Monday December 05, 2016 @03:42PM (#13109302)
It's not "dystopian" if you're on private property and have accepted their terms of service. You can avoid surveillance by, you know, choosing not to shop there.
Re:Amazon Go by quickConclusion on Monday December 05, 2016 @05:27PM (#13110362)
If there is no way for me to delete my personal data after i leave the store, i find it distopyan.

If one day all the stores are like this, I guess you may argue I can still grow my own food, and everything is fine.

Re:Amazon Go by critiqjo on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @12:38AM (#13112503)
> If there is no way for me to delete my personal data after i leave the store, i find it distopyan.

By "personal data", if you mean the video footage of your shopping, then it will probably be deleted after a few days/weeks. It will just be used to train (reinforce) the machine learning model, and will be discarded eventually. But your shopping history will always be there, as it is now in online shopping sites...

Re:Amazon Go by synicalx on Monday December 05, 2016 @05:48PM (#13110547)
Nope, get back on narrative! If it involves tracking me it's dystopian and literally 1984, especially if I've voluntarily signed myself up to be tracked
Re:Amazon Go by masthead on Monday December 05, 2016 @11:02AM (#13106286)
Exactly. They say, it uses Deep Learning, Computer Vision and blah blah.. (Add 2 more buzzwords). But, for christ's sake, say how!
Re:Amazon Go by ben0x539 on Monday December 05, 2016 @11:29AM (#13106546)
As a customer-facing thing, "how it works" means "what do I have to do to get stuff". Like, how does the process work on a UX level.
Re:Amazon Go by pimlottc on Monday December 05, 2016 @12:17PM (#13107050)
Which is already addressed earlier in the video. The "How it works" section of the video adds no practical details on how to use the system. It's just a slot to drop in a bunch of impressive-sounded jargon.
Re:Amazon Go by ben0x539 on Monday December 05, 2016 @02:27PM (#13108429)
Oh. I have to admit I ignored the video and thought the comment was about the "How does Amazon Go work?" paragraph on the page.
Re:Amazon Go by gerardnll on Monday December 05, 2016 @11:14AM (#13106403)
* What happens when someone throws a product in my bag. Who pays it?
Re:Amazon Go by Barrin92 on Monday December 05, 2016 @02:13PM (#13108324)
if you don't notice it and don't put it bag you pay for it, just like in a normal store. That's what I'd assume at least.
Re:Amazon Go by bjornlouser on Monday December 05, 2016 @11:09AM (#13106340)
Sensor Fusion. Duh.
Re:Amazon Go by mxfh on Monday December 05, 2016 @11:52AM (#13106781)
So will they have weighing scales to walk over? And also register eaten candy bars and toilet visits?
Re:Amazon Go by TeMPOraL on Monday December 05, 2016 @02:51PM (#13108742)
> Sensor Fusion

I wonder, when did the obvious way you use sensors become a buzzword?

Re:Amazon Go by BoysenberryPi on Monday December 05, 2016 @12:05PM (#13106926)
How it works sections aren't designed for the technically inclined user they are designed for the layman.
Re:Amazon Go by pimlottc on Monday December 05, 2016 @12:13PM (#13106990)
They don't have to get intensely technical but they could say a little more than basically, "magic".
Re:Amazon Go by BoysenberryPi on Monday December 05, 2016 @12:24PM (#13107130)
Except to a layman it is basically magic. Using X technology we did Y so you can do Z. I'm sure in coming months you'll get the in depth technical explanation you are looking for but this announcement isn't for you it's for the average person.
Re:Amazon Go by pimlottc on Monday December 05, 2016 @12:32PM (#13107234)
That's a rather defeatist attitude to have about explaining technology to laymen.

For example (not saying this is how it actually works): "Scanning your phone when you enter lets us know who you are. Then, our advanced vision tracking system follows you around the store and lets us see what you're choosing. Finally, scanners in our turnstiles verify your purchases as you're leaving the store."

Re:Amazon Go by BoysenberryPi on Monday December 05, 2016 @02:17PM (#13108351)
This is an advertisement announcement not a technical breakdown. There is no need to even say that much.
Re:Amazon Go by hasbroslasher on Monday December 05, 2016 @12:14PM (#13107001)
I'd assume the sensors can do a couple things - sense your proximity to your goods (the closest) and sense the difference in time between when you leave and when your goods leave (the smallest). I'd also assume that they use logic along the lines of "your goods are those which have been closest to you (and not on the shelf) for the most time since you entered the store.

I'd assume trying to forcibly enter the store without registration will set off an alarm. I can't wait to show up with 15 of my friends and run amok in the store - it'll present an interesting legal experiment (unless they just get us for trespassing).

Re:Amazon Go by binaryanomaly on Monday December 05, 2016 @11:14AM (#13106401)
RFID, image recognition with cameras... what is it? Can someone go and check it out? ;)
Re:Amazon Go by plandis on Monday December 05, 2016 @03:39PM (#13109276)
Yeah that was pretty terrible. I half expected to hear the word synergy in there somewhere.

Sensor fusion? You mean multiple sensors?

Re:Amazon Go by kobayashi on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @02:04AM (#13112775)
I'm more interested to know how it handles one person taking something off the shelf and handing it to another person.