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Re:Improved Authentication for Email Encryption and Security by mark_l_watson on Sunday December 04, 2016 @10:09AM (#13100177)
"In ProtonMail’s one-password mode, the mailbox password is derived from the login password via a one-way cryptographic password hash."

I wondered why they didn't do this. As a customer, this is a welcome change.

One thing that is of general concern to me: I tend to use a lot of encrypted traffic because much of my work is done on SSH shells to servers, and some of my customers request encrypting work files and use VPNs. With also using ProtonMail, I would expect to be on a government list of some sort. Given the general anti-privacy and anti-encryption rhetoric from public government officials this is a concern.

What our government should do is a moon-shot level of effort to promote strong encryption and very robust digital infrastructure. While this might unfortunately make law enforcement's job a little more difficult, the advantages in fighting computer crime and generally saving businesses, citizens and the government money would be worth it. I think it would also increase our level of national security, with all of our systems less hackable.

Re:Improved Authentication for Email Encryption and Security by benevol on Sunday December 04, 2016 @12:05PM (#13100626)
> With also using ProtonMail, I would expect to be on a government list of some sort.

Are you aware what kind of idea you are circulating here? It's the kind of idea citizens in totalitarian states would circulate, probably even in the hope to score points from their dictator, for participating in instilling "order".

Dude, wake up. This is sick.

Re:Improved Authentication for Email Encryption and Security by mark_l_watson on Sunday December 04, 2016 @12:25PM (#13100734)
In a world where both large Internet companies and governments collect meta data, possible collect more than meta data, set up fake cell towers, etc., I think it is naive to not think that they are also collecting statistics on the use of encryption.

Perhaps you misunderstood me?

Re:Improved Authentication for Email Encryption and Security by benevol on Sunday December 04, 2016 @03:21PM (#13101598)
You're basically suggesting that using tools that strengthen democracy is to our disadvantage, because it does not please the government, and that we should therefor not use them to defend our rights. Basically, we should accept being manipulated by fear.
Re:Improved Authentication for Email Encryption and Security by akerl_ on Sunday December 04, 2016 @03:37PM (#13101663)
There is a difference between pointing out how surveillance works and saying it's good.
Re:Improved Authentication for Email Encryption and Security by saberlynx on Monday December 05, 2016 @07:02AM (#13104855)
I use ProtonMail. I'm aware that puts me on a list in all likelihood. Still doing it however. I'm of the opinion that more encrypted private communication between citizens can only be a good thing for freedom even if it enables a few criminals. And I have to do my part.
Re:Improved Authentication for Email Encryption and Security by willstrafach on Sunday December 04, 2016 @01:47PM (#13101155)
Our government already cares very deeply about this sort of thing. It is important to read more than just the headlines involving something absurd stated by tech-illiterate politicians.

http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/PubsSPs.html

https://www.iad.gov/iad/index.cfm

Re:Improved Authentication for Email Encryption and Security by nickpsecurity on Sunday December 04, 2016 @04:23PM (#13101852)
"What our government should do is a moon-shot level of effort to promote strong encryption and very robust digital infrastructure."

They did. It was called the Computer Security Initiative. It was the culmination of efforts starting with Anderson Report that collectively invented INFOSEC and deployed high-assurance versions. Early releases were secure messaging, the BLACKER VPN, MLS endpoints, private databases, and so on. Industry ignored it in favor of cheapest, fanciest products with features moving at explosive pace. Congress's (or DOD's) COTS mandate and NSA's MISSI initiative finished it off by reducing government contracts for high-security product.

So, it's been done here before. It would work again. Just no will to do it on top esp with Microsoft and IBM's lobbying. ;) At least the papers on requirements and methods for achieving that were all published. Some still use the methods in commercial sector and CompSci. The first, secure systems are still available comnercially on not-so-secure hardware (i.e. Intel). Just almost no uptake in FOSS for such methods despite a labor advantage.

Re:Improved Authentication for Email Encryption and Security by someguydave on Monday December 05, 2016 @12:48AM (#13103628)
The failure of USG to fund secure alternatives to existing computer hardware and software is a black mark. I do not think it will be judged well by future historians of this era.
Re:Improved Authentication for Email Encryption and Security by shshhdhs on Monday December 05, 2016 @08:35AM (#13105190)
"At least the papers on requirements and methods for achieving that were all published."

Hi there! Ive seen you post on these before; do you have a collection of links or references to papers an infosec engineer interested in this should read? Ty

Re:Improved Authentication for Email Encryption and Security by nickpsecurity on Monday December 05, 2016 @06:08PM (#13110723)
Send me an email at address in my profile. Ill send them to you as I dig them out.