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Re:How to Hide $400M by JustSomeNobody on Wednesday November 30, 2016 @02:12PM (#13073678)
"Taken to the cleaners":

Child support for 2 kids and 1/2 the house. Oh come on! You have to take care of your kids! And, like it or not, 1/2 that house is yours and you should help pay. Sell it if you need to get out from under the debt, but it's still 1/2 yours to deal with.

Alimony. Ok, maybe he could have gotten out of this.

All in all, this is HARDLY getting taken to the cleaners. This is pretty much to be expected (especially the Child Support!).

Re:How to Hide $400M by cgriswald on Wednesday November 30, 2016 @02:28PM (#13073840)
I agree. That sounds like a more-or-less standard divorce.

> Alimony. Ok, maybe he could have gotten out of this.

Even if the wife lost her job months before the divorce, she should still be required to seek work and/or agree to stipulate a particular income for herself from which spousal support would be calculated.

Re:How to Hide $400M by shostack on Wednesday November 30, 2016 @03:53PM (#13074590)
Forgetting gender and who earns what for a moment...

If one partner earns more and pays a disproportionate amount of the downpayment and mortgage on a house that both partners live in, is the house really only 1/2 theirs legally? Ethically?

And in such an arrangement, particularly where one partner decides to stay in the home, can the partner who is not there force the sale to improve their cashflow? If so, how should the proceeds be divvied up assuming that a disproportionate amount of money was paid into the house by one partner?

Re:How to Hide $400M by Goronmon on Wednesday November 30, 2016 @04:34PM (#13074907)
If one partner earns more and pays a disproportionate amount of the downpayment and mortgage on a house that both partners live in, is the house really only 1/2 theirs legally? Ethically?

Makes sense to me. If say, the dad stays home to take care of the house and look after the children, while the wife works. Should the husband then be left with no claim to money/house if the wife decides she wants a divorce?

Maintaining a house and raising children are not low effort jobs. If you calculate how much daycare + a basic cleaning service would be year round, I doubt the cost would be minimal. Not to mention the fact that the person staying home will undoubtedly have a tough time entering the workforce after an extending period of time away from their careers.

Even if both work, how would you go about figuring out the split if the incomes were inequal? Do you literally just take the incomes and proportionally divide up the assets accordingly? What if the person earning more doesn't actually contribute their share to the mortgage, and wastes money on frivolous expenditures? How do you actually decide what is fair?

Re:How to Hide $400M by shostack on Wednesday November 30, 2016 @05:31PM (#13075317)
Thanks for the thoughtful answer. I'm not sure why I got downvoted--I'm genuinely curious about people's responses to this.

Being a homemaker is absolutely a high effort job, and cleaning/daycare are hardly cheap. You also are right to point out the opportunity cost of not being in the workplace.

These are interesting things to think about as I just don't think the matter is as black and white as some people might want to think.

Re:How to Hide $400M by kamaal on Wednesday November 30, 2016 @07:12PM (#13075892)
But that isn't what happened there. The wife quit the job on intention so that she could be eligible for free alimony pay from the husband.

Why work and make a living, while you could skin this man alive and have him pay for you.

This sort of behavior incentivizes divorce. Not that hard to play victim when you can get some one to pay for you all life, while you chill around beaches and make merry.

Re:How to Hide $400M by JustSomeNobody on Wednesday November 30, 2016 @05:09PM (#13075177)
> If one partner earns more and pays a disproportionate amount of the downpayment and mortgage on a house that both partners live in, is the house really only 1/2 theirs legally? Ethically?

In a marriage, this is what you agree to, yes.

Re:How to Hide $400M by manarth on Wednesday November 30, 2016 @06:00PM (#13075489)

  > If one partner earns more and pays a disproportionate amount of the downpayment and mortgage on a house that both partners live in, is the house really only 1/2 theirs legally? Ethically?
That's a thoughtful question, and I'm not sure why it's being down-voted. It's literally one of the questions a court considers, when judging matrimonial division of wealth.

On the one hand, in the case of a spouse who brings significant assets to the marriage, or provides a significant monetary contribution to the marriage, their contribution is recognised.

But also, a spouse who has sacrificed a high-value career to care for children is given credit for that in a settlement, so that they do not lose out on their opportunity-cost. There are fairly standard practices for courts to determine the relative merits/costs when judging a settlement.

All that said, does it happen all that often that a court decides that the assets should be divided far from 50:50?

Re:How to Hide $400M by shostack on Wednesday November 30, 2016 @06:56PM (#13075815)
Thanks for seeing the question for what it was--a question. You are right that things are not black and white, and might be hard to put a value on. A homemaker certainly contributes value to the relationship. How does the value of that get determined? That's what I'm really curious about as I think it is anything but black and white.

One variable is extremely easy to quantify, and the other much less so.

Re:How to Hide $400M by wastinglife123 on Wednesday November 30, 2016 @07:15PM (#13075904)
if this is to be "expected" then why would anyone get married in California? Can you imagine the psychological cost of paying for your ex-wife (who initiated the divorce and planned well in advance to maximize her financial position) to enjoy herself without working?
Re:How to Hide $400M by JustSomeNobody on Thursday December 01, 2016 @07:28AM (#13078910)
You're only focusing on the alimony part, but anyway, if the court says you owe alimony, then you do. If you later find out your ex isn't trying to find gainful employment, you can always have your lawyer try and get you out of alimony.

Almost nobody should complain about paying child support[0] and 1/2 the house. Those are still responsibilities that need to be taken care of.

[0] I left this open ended because there are (very rare) exceptions.