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Re:Amazon Worker Jumps Off Company Building After E-Mail to ... by notyourwork on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @02:27AM (#13061461)
Remember that the most vocal are the most dissatisfied. Also remember that at a company that large there are going to be more dissatisfied than smaller companies. Lastly, don't forget that no one wants to read a story about an upset engineer from a small no name company. People like seeing big brand names fail and we as a society are a sucker for a negative drama.

They retain people because not every team is like what you read in the news. There are teams with completely normal on-calls who love their life and job and are far from upset with anything that has to do with work. Free food isn't a deal breaker when you make what companies like Amazon pay.

Re:Amazon Worker Jumps Off Company Building After E-Mail to ... by Bahamut on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @04:03AM (#13061810)
There are significantly more of these stories out there on Amazon than the other major tech companies it seems - I haven't heard of anywhere near as many stories coming from Google, Facebook, or Apple.
Re:Amazon Worker Jumps Off Company Building After E-Mail to ... by ekianjo on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @06:26AM (#13062369)
Negative stories that make it into the press are rare events and therefore it's difficult to compare if there is much more dissatisfaction in one company vs another. A better indicator is turnover rate.
Re:Amazon Worker Jumps Off Company Building After E-Mail to ... by marssaxman on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @11:29AM (#13064034)
It is obvious just from having lived in Seattle for a good long while that something is up with Amazon. They are notorious for employee churn, and it's easy to see this in my circle of acquaintances, many if not most of whom work in software. People do quit Microsoft, Google, or Facebook from time to time, but it's generally a long-term engagement; Amazon is a place where even relatively senior people don't seem to stick around more than a couple of years.

It's not a scientific study but I don't need scientific accuracy in order to get a pretty clear idea where I would or would not want to work.

Re:Amazon Worker Jumps Off Company Building After E-Mail to ... by notyourwork on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @10:42AM (#13063681)
Completely agree, I have only heard of a few stories so I don't think we can conclude about one company over another. Turnover rate does sound like a much better general indicator.
Re:Amazon Worker Jumps Off Company Building After E-Mail to ... by PhasmaFelis on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @03:12AM (#13061626)
> Remember that the most vocal are the most dissatisfied. Also remember that at a company that large there are going to be more dissatisfied than smaller companies. Lastly, don't forget that no one wants to read a story about an upset engineer from a small no name company. People like seeing big brand names fail and we as a society are a sucker for a negative drama.

If that was the sum of it, you'd expect to hear just as much bad stuff about Microsoft, Google, Apple, and so forth. That doesn't seem to be happening at the moment.

Re:Amazon Worker Jumps Off Company Building After E-Mail to ... by jcrites on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @03:11AM (#13061625)
> Lastly, don't forget that no one wants to read a story about an upset engineer from a small no name company.

People also don't particularly want to read a story from a happy engineer at a big company either.

Additionally, the unhappy person who has an axe to grind is likely to go out of his way to publicize it, talk to reporters about it or write comments on the Internet about it. Happy employees are less likely to go out of their way to comment on the experience, and what they have to say is less notable on average.

Re:Amazon Worker Jumps Off Company Building After E-Mail to ... by allengeorge on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @07:52AM (#13062708)
The volume of stories coming out of Amazon far outstrips those from Google or Facebook for example.
Re:Amazon Worker Jumps Off Company Building After E-Mail to ... by notyourwork on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @10:44AM (#13063698)
"Far outstrips" feels like an exaggeration of the problem considering the publics lack of data.
Re:Amazon Worker Jumps Off Company Building After E-Mail to ... by coredog64 on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @08:11AM (#13062783)
Interviewed with Amazon, and they were offering less than my current salary in a market where housing isn't nearly as crazy as Seattle.
Re:Amazon Worker Jumps Off Company Building After E-Mail to ... by uw_rob on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @09:14AM (#13063120)
Did you try negotiating? Despite conventional wisdom, (at least with some offered salaries), you can negotiate a raise. I got a significant increase in salary when negotiating for my return internship offer.
Re:Amazon Worker Jumps Off Company Building After E-Mail to ... by ex_amazon_sde on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @06:54AM (#13062460)
Your post sounds strangely onesided. Amazon turnover rate for engineers is the highest across the usual names. 50% of engineers leave before 2y.
Re:Amazon Worker Jumps Off Company Building After E-Mail to ... by notyourwork on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @10:40AM (#13063668)
Its not one sided, its a general statement that the people who love their job don't go jumping off buildings or having suicidal thoughts. They wake up, goto work and come home.

Also, where do you get a 50% of engineers leave before 2y?

Re:Amazon Worker Jumps Off Company Building After E-Mail to ... by selectiveshift on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @10:53AM (#13063776)
As does yours. Any data to back up that number, or just anecdotal evidence?