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Re:Pilots Strike at Cargo Carrier Serving DHL, Amazon.com by vkou on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @03:45PM (#13017487)
> ABX Air President John Starkovich said the airline is seeking a court order to force the pilots back to work.

How are these kinds of court orders possible in a free country, with largely at-will employment? Employees are not slaves.

Re:Pilots Strike at Cargo Carrier Serving DHL, Amazon.com by rgbrenner on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @03:50PM (#13017531)
Basically the idea is rail (and later airlines) are critical national infrastructure, and the country should not be brought to a standstill over minor contract disputes. Before the law, here's what would happen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Railroad_Strike_of_1877

So the law requires minor disputes to be resolved through arbitration or mediation, instead of with a strike. ABX is saying this is a minor dispute, the union says it's a major dispute. The judge agreed with the union.

Even if the employees were forced back to work, they can still quit. So there's no slavery here.

Re:Pilots Strike at Cargo Carrier Serving DHL, Amazon.com by jandrese on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @04:46PM (#13017954)
IMHO, if the courts are being used to break the strike they should also be used to arbitrate the dispute and make the resolution binding. Make it dangerous to try to use the government to prosecute your own labor relations problem because they could find in favor of the unions and force you to honor time off promises or raise pay or whatever it is the union is striking over. And of course if the union is the one being unreasonable then we have today's situation where the workers are told to get back to work and the Union is told to pound sand.
Re:Pilots Strike at Cargo Carrier Serving DHL, Amazon.com by rgbrenner on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @05:00PM (#13018059)
Right now, the NLRB does that. The board uses administrative law judges, and they can be appealed to the US court of appeals or the US supreme court.

It's so similar to what you're suggesting, I'm not quite sure what the advantage of changing it would be?

Re:Pilots Strike at Cargo Carrier Serving DHL, Amazon.com by eli_gottlieb on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @07:00PM (#13018781)
>Basically the idea is rail (and later airlines) are critical national infrastructure, and the country should not be brought to a standstill over minor contract disputes.

I have to ask: why not? That is, since it's only the goods sold by private business being "brought to a standstill", why not? Moving people or military goods under all conditions makes sense. Moving Amazon shipments under all conditions does not.

Re:Pilots Strike at Cargo Carrier Serving DHL, Amazon.com by serge2k on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @08:10PM (#13019116)
because stalling shipments of food or medical supplies is a big problem.

because you could be costing companies that have no direct relation to the dispute lots of money.

So the courts have some power to say no, get back to work. if the conditions are that bad the employees can still counter this by quitting.

Re:Pilots Strike at Cargo Carrier Serving DHL, Amazon.com by quickben on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @11:41PM (#13020087)
"stalling food and medical supplies"

That's what the employer knowingly brought into risk when they decided to run understaffed to increase profits.

Re:Pilots Strike at Cargo Carrier Serving DHL, Amazon.com by Pyxl101 on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @03:59AM (#13021199)
That's risk that the transportation provider brought. The medical company ordering supplies from some other company, who happens to use this transportation provider some of the time but not all the time, was not aware of and could not have reasonably foreseen this risk.
Re:Pilots Strike at Cargo Carrier Serving DHL, Amazon.com by tehwebguy on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @07:34AM (#13022133)
There are surely indemnity clauses all the way upstream. There are plenty of next day shipping options from 3 national carriers, plus same day options and just putting someone on a flight.
Re:Pilots Strike at Cargo Carrier Serving DHL, Amazon.com by bertiewhykovich on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @09:04PM (#13019372)
As Matt Bruenig has noted, the BATNA for many workers is dire poverty. Quitting isn't that easy.
Re:Pilots Strike at Cargo Carrier Serving DHL, Amazon.com by vkou on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @04:11PM (#13017692)
So, strike-busting used to be enforced through murder - now it is enforced through the courts. Wouldn't it seem that the obvious solution to the problem consist of handing out hemp neckties to the people orchestrating, and perpetrating the violence.
Re:Pilots Strike at Cargo Carrier Serving DHL, Amazon.com by NeutronBoy on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @06:43PM (#13018679)
If you go on strike for a genuine grievance, you generally can't be fired for that. Basically they're asking the court to determine if it's a genuine grievance, or if these people just aren't showing up to work. And if they're just not showing up to work, then the company can fire them.

(NB: I'm generalising. This applies in some other countries, not sure about the US).

There are also some professions where you don't want them to strike, and disputes should be worked out through some other arbitration process (think emergency services personnel - if paramedics go on strike, there can be some pretty severe consequences).

Re:Pilots Strike at Cargo Carrier Serving DHL, Amazon.com by refurb on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @04:06PM (#13017651)
There are rules around when strikes can happen and when they can't. If a court says the strike is not legitimate, they can be forced back to work.

Of course, employees can still not show up. In that case, the employer can fire them (which they can't do during a legal strike).

Re:Pilots Strike at Cargo Carrier Serving DHL, Amazon.com by cmdrfred on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @09:38AM (#13022910)
Free market is a one way street in America lately.
Re:Pilots Strike at Cargo Carrier Serving DHL, Amazon.com by astronautjones on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @03:47PM (#13017503)
Reagan famously set this precedent
Re:Pilots Strike at Cargo Carrier Serving DHL, Amazon.com by rgbrenner on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @03:51PM (#13017547)
Actually it's the Railway Labor Act of 1926. So before Reagan's time.

Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_Labor_Act