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Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by seiji on Tuesday April 27, 2010 @11:05PM (#1300611)
Thanks for reminding me we need to decimate all the horrific dating sites out there. Who's in?
Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by gaius on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @12:44AM (#1300783)
Why the downvotes? A better dating site is on YC's list of things they want to fund.
Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by jrockway on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @01:33AM (#1300839)
What's wrong with okCupid, other than being written in C++?
Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by maukdaddy on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @10:31AM (#1301608)
If you're worried about what language a dating site is coded in, I'd suggest not signing up for any dating sites =)
Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by philwelch on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @09:12AM (#1301445)
It doesn't have the best revenue model and it hasn't fixed the fundamental gender imbalance problem yet.

These two problems have the same solution: charge men for membership, women join for free. Every college keg party has figured this out, I'm surprised online dating sites haven't.

Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by cabalamat on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @10:55AM (#1301673)
Dating sites run on the network effect: they are useful in proportion to the number of people on them. If they charge money for members, they will have less people on them. Therefore someone interested in a dating website should join one (or more) that don't cost anything. Oh, and they are less likely to be scams that way too.
Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by jseliger on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @12:33PM (#1301937)
But the quality of dating sites matters too: is a site with 1,000 flakes or 200 people seriously looking for a date better? One thing that charging, even very small amounts, can do is weed out people who don't care. For example, Love Lab: http://thestranger.selectalternatives.com/gyrobase/Personals... through Seattle's The Stranger seems to work pretty well because a) it's already oriented in the community and b) charges, which keeps out spammers and flakes.

You might be right, but I 'm not sure which element is more important: sheer numbers or the quality of the people who have joined.

Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by gaius on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @01:12PM (#1302062)
Exactly.

On a site that men pay but women join for free you're going to find a lot of women who expect men to pay for everything for them, and the only men on that site are going to be the kind who expect to get what they pay for.

Now, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, everyone's a grownup after all. But that isn't the demographic that match.com et al are after - they measure their success in how many marriages they produce. Marriage-oriented people are also more likely to be at the point in their lives where they have money to spend to, they're a highly desirable market.

Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by philwelch on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @01:22PM (#1302084)
In other words, you're saying women don't look for a husband with the ability to provide resources.
Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by gaius on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @07:19PM (#1303073)
No, I'm saying that golddiggers and sugardaddies are catered for elsewhere.
Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by cabalamat on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @08:57PM (#1303264)
How do you define quality? What you look for in a date might be different from what I look for or what someone else looks for. In fact, it probably is.

The more people on the site who live near to a user, the more likely that user is to find someone compatible with them.

Having said that, "quality" might be important if it's a way of making it likely that users are more compatible with other users, e.g. religious-minded people who want to marry within their religion.

Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by philwelch on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @01:17PM (#1302075)
For the heterosexual use case (90-95% of use cases?) the network effect is a two-variable problem. You have to consider not only the number of eligible mates but also the sex ratio, since the sex ratio affects your odds-per-eligible-mate. If there's more men than women on the site, after a certain point the network effect for men actually gets worse as more men join.

It's not that great for women, either, since they're overwhelmed with contact by large numbers of men.

Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by potatolicious on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @01:50PM (#1302157)
I dunno - bars/clubs haven't really solved this either. Sure yeah, you have things like no cover for women, but where I am the ratio is still not too awesome.

This hasn't really stopped men from trying, though. The gender ratio doesn't have to be perfectly balanced, all is has to be is not ludicrously out of whack.

Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by philwelch on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @03:30PM (#1302455)
Clubs can't programmatically adjust rates based on the current balance, though. The best they can do is have bouncers to filter the quantity and quality of men they let in. A bouncer can be pretty clever but there's room for an algorithm to do well too ;)
Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by randomtask on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @05:08AM (#1301123)
What's wrong with it being written in c++?
Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by jarin on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @05:25AM (#1301141)
It's not written on punchcards, that's what!
Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by luminary on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @05:45AM (#1301169)
I actually wrote about this the other day: http://whislr.com/2010/04/20/a-different-approach-to-buildin...
Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by mseebach on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @06:28AM (#1301209)
If partner selection was as simple as being hooked up and talking to a total stranger for a few weeks, there would be no dating-sites, and blind dates wouldn't be dreadful. There's a reason first dates are often for a early-evening drink in a bar - if just talking long enough would do the trick, first dates would be in a secluded cabin in the mountains :).

I like your thoughts on targeting young professionals, and basing it on an existing network such as LinkedIn also sounds reasonable. Your focus on keeping personal information out of the conversation is not viable - remember, it's not just e-mail and phone numbers, it's also suggestions to meet. I also think that the fee to be hooked up with a second person is going to be a major deterrent.

Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by lallysingh on Tuesday April 27, 2010 @11:59PM (#1300700)
Oi! I'm meeting & dating some wonderful women through these things! You just have to know the game and play along.

A little experience with queuing models and Petri nets also helps.

Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by francoisdevlin on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @12:25AM (#1300743)
Queuing models and Petri nets? You must be having success.
Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by jrockway on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @01:35AM (#1300841)
Call me old-fashioned, but I just send relevant messages to girls that I think I might like. Not everything is some mathematical operation to optimize.
Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by lallysingh on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @12:32PM (#1301933)
Actually the best way I connect to girls is to be openly nerdy. Show the excitement, but keep it short so they don't get bored.

As for the queuing models & Petri nets, assuming everyone understood I was a more than a little tongue-in-cheek:

- Setup your net as a cycle between weekdays and weekends. I only use 1 week of forward planning, so my base net is 3 weekdays (I save a few weekdays for non-dating) and 2 weekend days. 5 vertices.

- Duplicate the net for different stages, roughly equating one stage per date sequence number. E.g stage 1 is first date, stage 2 is the second date, etc.

- Each girl is a token.

- Each token in each stage tells you how your day is likely to go, once you equate the stage # to an expected progress level. Especially early on in the dating sequence, dates can be short, so multiple dates can be stacked into a day (e.g. an afternoon 1st date vs a dinner/movie 3rd date that night).

Nothing fancy by any means. Note, again, that this is pretty tongue-in-cheek, but it does help me keep a rational (and semi-quantitative) focus on what is fundamentally a numbers game. I don't lose my cool on dates b/c each one I understand as a single token, instead of freaking out on how this or that girl could be "the one."

Edit: clearly this needs work, but I'll have to look up Petri nets again before tightening this up.

Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by LiveTheDream on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @11:08AM (#1301703)
But dating is a numbers game, and a numbers game is well-suited to mathematical optimization, right?
Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by kadavy on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @01:58AM (#1300868)
It's all about the one-line hook, baby: http://www.onlinedatingmatchmaker.com/match-messages/
Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by realitygrill on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @02:19AM (#1300895)
Please explain this. I am grinning hugely in anticipation.
Re:Match.com no longer top dating site, sends in the lawyers by kapitti on Tuesday April 27, 2010 @11:42PM (#1300666)
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