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Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by the8472 on Sunday November 20, 2016 @07:47AM (#12998587)
Does that require the cows to be entirely fed on the seaweed or does it work as part of a mixture?

Edit: found the paper: https://sci-hub.ac/10.1071/AN15576

According to figure 2 it looks like 2-10% of the feed is sufficient to achieve near-total methane reduction and <5% does not negatively affect digestibility, so 2-5% is the sweet spot.

Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by belorn on Sunday November 20, 2016 @09:05AM (#12998881)
Since this is aimed at environment efforts, I would ask how much 2-5% reduction in feed is in acres of land dedicated to farming and usage of pesticides. To my knowledge, seaweed farm are considered quite eco firendly, not size constrained, and don't need pesticides.
Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by toomuchtodo on Sunday November 20, 2016 @09:37AM (#12999028)
Your knowledge is all correct (I researched leaving tech to farm seaweed).
Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by faraggi on Sunday November 20, 2016 @09:56AM (#12999110)
What were the conclusions of your research?
Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by erichocean on Sunday November 20, 2016 @10:54AM (#12999421)
Not the OP, but the typical conclusion would be "effective altruism indicates I should stay in tech and give money to helping fisherman transition to seaweed farming."

It's very hard to pass this analysis, since "high tech" is almost universally more valuable to humanity, per unit, that something low tech like farming.

If you're already in tech and you want to "help the world", giving money is almost always the best choice.

http://www.givewell.org/ is a good resource for where to give effectively.

Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by toomuchtodo on Sunday November 20, 2016 @12:54PM (#13000085)
OP here. Your assuming I'd stay in tech to arbitrage the wage gap to give altruistically. You discount that maybe working in tech isn't what makes me happy (disclaimer: I like my current gig because of the people I get to work with, but nothing is forever), farming seaweed from my 41 foot catamaran (now depreciable as a business expense if commercially farming seaweed) might make me happier after working in tech for 15 years, and that I'm saving up to eventually leave the tech industry for living on a sailboat with my family.

> but the typical conclusion would be "effective altruism indicates I should stay in tech and give money to helping fisherman transition to seaweed farming."

Don't make assumptions. Life is meant to be enjoyed, and we work for a third of our lives. Perhaps some of us don't want to do the same work for our entire lives.

Lastly, tech isn't how I would give altruistically. I'd trade options and futures and donate the profits. The impact would be orders of magnitude higher than donating my hourly/salary wages.

Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by bmelton on Sunday November 20, 2016 @07:27PM (#13002171)
I'm not who you were replying to, but he wasn't necessarily making an assumption. There is a philosophical theory named "effective altruism" which includes tenets such as cause prioritization, cost effectiveness and comparative wealth to (hopefully) allow the most good to be done the most efficiently.

In amongst those tenets is the precept of comparative wealth, quoted here:

> Many effective altruists believe that, as formulated by Peter Singer, "if it is in our power to prevent something bad from happening, without thereby sacrificing anything of comparable moral importance, we ought, morally, to do it".[18] Anyone with an income of above $52,000 PPP is in the 1% richest people globally.[19] Therefore, many effective altruists donate a significant portion of their income to highly effective charities, since doing so would not cause them to give up important purchases.

In short, if you're making six figures in tech, it is generally more charitable to keep doing the tech that you're doing and donate more, and if the tech work you're doing isn't a net negative, you'll be doing more good by donating your tech largesse to a seaweed farmer instead.

Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by wiz21c on Monday November 21, 2016 @06:35AM (#13004608)
Question : what kind of altruist can I be if don't make "six figures in tech" ?
Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by forgotpwtomain on Sunday November 20, 2016 @08:06PM (#13002328)
You assumed OP wanted to be an optimally efficient altruist - but this wasn't suggested anywhere. If you read his above reply he explains briefly why he is still in tech and elaborates a bit on his goals.
Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by bmelton on Sunday November 20, 2016 @08:23PM (#13002390)
The only assumption that I made was that when erichocean said something that began with a social buzzword and ended parroting the theory that reflects the definition of that social buzzword, that he was referring to the actual theory defined as "effective altruism":

> effective altruism indicates I should stay in tech and give money to helping fisherman transition to seaweed farming

Offtopic, but since when did contextual assumption become something people weren't supposed to do?

Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by kilroy123 on Sunday November 20, 2016 @05:02PM (#13001523)
What are your thoughts on sea farming?

http://greenwave.org/3d-ocean-farming/

Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by sc4th1s on Sunday November 20, 2016 @02:51PM (#13000776)
could you tell me more about using a boat for seaweed farming?
Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by toomuchtodo on Sunday November 20, 2016 @05:00PM (#13001508)
Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by Frenchgeek on Sunday November 20, 2016 @03:10PM (#13000886)
The hard part is figuring out how to make the plough float.
Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by justinclift on Sunday November 20, 2016 @01:31PM (#13000277)
Very well put. :)
Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by toomuchtodo on Sunday November 20, 2016 @01:56PM (#13000428)
Appreciate it. I comment only to bring perspective.
Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by kiba on Sunday November 20, 2016 @12:57PM (#13000104)
Agriculture is not "low-tech".
Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by duncan_bayne on Sunday November 20, 2016 @04:08PM (#13001240)
The more I read, the more it seems as though agriculture has been at the cutting edge of technology for millennia.
Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by pbhjpbhj on Sunday November 20, 2016 @05:06PM (#13001548)
>something low tech like farming //

Large scale farming is not low-tech. Presumably someone moving in to farming from a tech discipline would seek to optimise their tech use as a competitive advantage over incumbents.

Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by kilroy123 on Sunday November 20, 2016 @05:01PM (#13001515)
I think 3D sea farming would be easier and more profitable.

http://greenwave.org/3d-ocean-farming/

Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by ogrisel on Sunday November 20, 2016 @11:30AM (#12999600)
Note that this study is about "in vitro" analysis. High iodine contents and toxic compounds might make this algae not suitable as bovine fodder.

Furthermore this is tropical algae and it traditionally hand harvested making it very expensive to produce. I don't know if it could be mass produced in sea farms.

Source:

http://uses.plantnet-project.org/en/Asparagopsis_taxiformis_...

Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by jessaustin on Sunday November 20, 2016 @03:39PM (#13001069)
At first I was confused... thanks for pointing out that this study is totally impractical.

Cattle, like most ruminants, rely on the fermentation of cellulose for most of their energy needs. Any feed additive that shuts down this process will result in malnourished cattle, and is unlikely to see broad adoption in the industry. Luckily for the PEI farmer, the seaweed he used didn't have this effect.

Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by the8472 on Sunday November 20, 2016 @04:46PM (#13001445)
That's covered in the paper. The in vitro test was on bacterial samples that do that very fermentation and measured the output of nutrients (fatty acids) that can be absorbed by the animals.

I.e. shutting down the methanogenesis does not shut down all fermentation, it just takes other pathways. It is not an essential component.

Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by jessaustin on Sunday November 20, 2016 @07:19PM (#13002137)
Wow I guess this is why I'm not a biochemist; I wouldn't have thought that was possible. This might be something to look for at the feed store in another decade or so...
Re:Scientist discovers particular seaweed nearly eliminates ... by silicon123 on Monday November 21, 2016 @04:34AM (#13004196)
the abstract also says they didn't test it in vivo