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Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by danso on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @06:48PM (#12972779)
Wow. It feels like a miracle whenever anyone takes a principled stand despite the hype and pressure of Silicon Valley and startup culture, never mind the usual corporate pressure. But this kid stood up to his own family, and lawyers hired by his family. Fairly or not, Stanford will always have some association with the legend of Elizabeth Holmes, but the engineering school can feel proud that they produced a graduate who showed real ethical backbone. It's fairly easy to imagine oneself bravely standing up to Theranos after reading the WSJ investigation last year. It's another thing to be the guy who launched it despite legal and familial pressure.
Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by cft on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @10:13PM (#12973924)
If an ordinary employee tried to take such a stand, he would be ignored, shut up, fired, sued, or perhaps jailed, depending on how firmly he was willing and able to take it.

FYI: "As household staff served them dinner in the formal dining room, the elder Mr. Shultz said Ms. Holmes had told him Theranos’s blood-testing devices worked so well that they were being used in medevac helicopters and hospital operating rooms, Tyler Shultz recalls. He and his colleague knew that wasn’t true."

Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by prostoalex on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @10:44PM (#12974046)
The whistleblower laws allow some degree of anonynimity precisely for the reasons above.

From the article:

"Using an alias, Tyler Shultz contacted New York state’s public-health lab ..."

"... Mr. Shultz began speaking to a Journal reporter as a confidential source."

"... regulatory complaint Mr. Shultz had filed under the alias Colin Ramirez"

The decision to confront the CEO personally was his own, he could've chosen the anonymous path all along.

Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by danso on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @11:44PM (#12974363)
> The decision to confront the CEO personally was his own, he could've chosen the anonymous path all along.

It's worth pointing out that Shultz seemed to have acted in good faith initially, and apparently didn't think anonymity was justified:

> Mr. Shultz says he took his concerns directly to Ms. Holmes. When they met in early 2014, she encouraged him to talk to Daniel Young, a Theranos vice president in charge of biostatistics.

He seemed to have acted with optimistic intentions for Theranos. It was only later that he sent a more scathing email, after which he waited for a few days, got the arrogant reply from the Theranos president, and then quit.

Given all of the professional and personal reasons he had to hope the best for Theranos, he had plenty of excuses to just let things go with a it's-above-my-paygrade mentality. Because it was, on paper, above his paygrade, and his boss and coworkers have the prestigious degrees and engineering experience to argue that Tyler is just mistaken.

It's not easy in a cult-like company to call out shit even as/after the shit hits the fan. But it seems rarer to be the frog that jumps out of the warm water, when all the other frogs feel fine and are also threatening to sue the fuck out of you if you do jump.

Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by cft on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @10:51PM (#12974085)
An anonymous whistleblower is likely to be ignored however. I edited my reply to include this most likely option.

Schultz Jr was contacted in LinkedIn by a WSJ reporter, he did not hide his identity because he likely (empirically) realized that his anonymous complaint would be ignored.

Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by prostoalex on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @10:57PM (#12974108)
Based on what data? The government has set up a bunch of venues specifically for anonymous whistleblowers, e.g. https://www.whistleblower.gov/overview/submitatip/ https://www.irs.gov/uac/whistleblower-informant-award https://www.osha.gov/Publications/OSHA3714.pdf so there's at least some process behind the scenes rather than > /dev/null

He didn't have to hide his identity from a WSJ reporter because journalistic sources are protected by similar set of laws. To the readers of WSJ he was just a "confidential source".

Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by cft on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @11:09PM (#12974165)
In the article it says "In March 2014, he anonymously emailed his complaint to New York officials.."

Then the article says: "In March 2015, Tyler Shultz was contacted by a Journal reporter through the professional network LinkedIn."

Something doesn't match up here. I can only assume that his anonymous complaint did not reach the desired effect in a year, and he went via other channels, using his own renouned last name.

Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by prostoalex on Thursday November 17, 2016 @12:29AM (#12974627)
Yeah, I wish they provided more details on this.

It would also seem rational for the investigative reporter to ping 20-30 LinkedIn contacts who listed Theranos as their employer in hopes that 2-3 would reply, so maybe he wasn't the only one the reporter contacted.

Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by rbobby on Thursday November 17, 2016 @10:56AM (#12978533)
The reporter likely contacted a bunch of Theranos employees via LinkedIn (and probably sorted the list based on former/current).

Was Tyler the only confidential source to talk to the WSJ? Probably not. because of that whole two sources rule good journalists follow.

Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by cft on Thursday November 17, 2016 @12:38PM (#12979537)
So your theory is that after Tyler's initial complaint, the regulators waited for a year, and then leaked the anonymous complaint to WSJ, which randomly contacted a bunch of employees, including the original anonymous tipper?
Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by vkou on Thursday November 17, 2016 @01:27PM (#12979977)
Alternatively, another employee tipped off the WSJ (Instead of, or in addition to a regulator,) and the WSJ started contacting current, and former employees, to see if their story had any legs.
Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by prostoalex on Thursday November 17, 2016 @04:54PM (#12982074)
WSJ has its own tipsters, the reporter in question was interviewed by Jason Calacanis a while back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgwJA-GOlg

Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by eli on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @10:47PM (#12974061)
What whistleblower law?
Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by grzm on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @10:48PM (#12974066)
Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by eli on Thursday November 17, 2016 @06:24AM (#12976429)
That does not apply. He isn't a federal employee.
Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by grzm on Thursday November 17, 2016 @01:37PM (#12980089)
You're right, he's not a federal employee. There are protections in place for private employees as well, though it varies by state, employment situation, and a lot more details I'm ignorant of.
Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by keithly on Thursday November 17, 2016 @11:58AM (#12979128)
"Household staff" is a familiar term to many WSJ subscribers, I'd guess.
Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by ChuckMcM on Thursday November 17, 2016 @12:52AM (#12974740)
Integrity is a costly thing, rarely appreciated by the people who should. Over the years I've discovered that the scummier the management the more it costs so in that way what it will cost you is sort of determined by your manager (or maybe their manager as well). I've also asked people who were looking to hire me how highly they valued integrity. Sadly both bad managers and good managers say they value it highly, but bad managers will work to get rid of you as soon as they realize you really meant it :-)
Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by madaxe_again on Thursday November 17, 2016 @02:38AM (#12975245)
Integrity is costly, but only if you view financial loss as the sole cost, and ignore the upside of being able to live with yourself.

I'd love to believe that being honest and ethical will one day provide some kind of reward, but the reality is that it doesn't - in fact in this world you are indeed punished for it - so you just have to accept that being good is its own reward.

It's something I really struggle with - the fact that the more dishonest you are, the more willing you are to lie, cheat, steal, kill, mislead, destroy, hurt, insult, and all the rest, the more successful you will be. I've seen it over and over in business - retail magnates practically eat children for breakfast. I remember "do you employ any n-ggers" lady, who runs a major UK fashion label, and "I know we said we'd pay but what the fuck are you going to do about it, my brother's the local magistrate" with particular fondness. The worst part about the former was watching others in the business not care and still want to do the deal - I had to torpedo it, as there was no way I'd be able to work with this inhumane individual.

I mean - look at the PeOTUS - he's a shining example of what this world now holds as good. Hell, I remember posting 18 months ago about how Holmes wasn't all she seemed to be and HN calling me every shitty name under the sun (I was a misogynist, jealous, rageface, you name it), and yet now that it's the majority view that she's not all she seemed to be, that opinion is fine.

Tribes who blindly support the strong angry man, rather than the honest man. We'd rather go stick heads on poles over a yam theft than admit we didn't plant the yam in the first place. Nothing has changed.

Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by user837387 on Thursday November 17, 2016 @07:04AM (#12976663)
>>I'd love to believe that being honest and ethical will one day provide some kind of reward, but the reality is that it doesn't - in fact in this world you are indeed punished for it - so you just have to accept that being good is its own reward.

What you are saying is true. Trump got rewarded the presidency for his lack of integrity. The lesson seems to be that only morons allow their sense of integrity to rule them.

Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by leereeves on Thursday November 17, 2016 @07:20AM (#12976763)
Also for his opponent's lack of integrity (whether real or merely perceived).
Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by ChuckMcM on Thursday November 17, 2016 @02:52PM (#12980824)
I wonder how the Sanders/Trump contest would have been decided. Certainly Sanders was perceived by folks I knew to have more integrity.
Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by madaxe_again on Thursday November 17, 2016 @04:42PM (#12981962)
Trump would have won, for the simple reason that he can slip between incongruent realities seamlessly - he is so well practiced a liar that speaking two contradictory untruths in a sentence doesn't cause him pause, and his audience selectively hears the truth they wish to hear. Honestly - watch interviews with his voters - he is all things to all men, often contradictory things. He projects his realities outwards, and his followers reflect them back to him, amplified by their own perceptual filters, and it reinforces.

Take a straight man like Sanders. He's consistent. When you only work with one reality, as he does, you limit your ability to slip and feint between narratives as trump does, and as a result your appeal is limited to people in that or similar realities.

In short, if you're prepared to cheat, any move is legal, and an opponent playing by the rules cannot win - particularly if you are also the adjudicator.

Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by user837387 on Thursday November 17, 2016 @04:28PM (#12981821)
It doesn't really matter. Trump would just have made up lots of stuff about Sanders and people would have eaten it up. I mean, most people think that Trump is more honest than Hillary. Once you've gotten to the point where people are too stupid to distinguish between the two you are fucked. You even see it here in HN with supposedly smart people(maybe). They like to suggest or imply that Hillary's flaws are at the same level as Trump's. This country is doomed.
Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by Amygaz on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @12:29PM (#13015663)
Or maybe you mean people in Macedonia would have made up a lot of stuff and Trump would just have ran with it! The one thing with narcissists is their lack of creativity (there are a few exceptions, but Trump isn't one of them). So they rely heavily on others to do anything.
Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by mafribe on Thursday November 17, 2016 @08:58AM (#12977448)

   HN calling me every shitty name
Could you link to that old post? It would be interesting to see who did the name calling.
Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by madaxe_again on Thursday November 17, 2016 @11:52AM (#12979057)
I went digging but it's a long way back in my comment history, when breathless stories about their revolutionary technology were hitting the front page. Nobody really appreciated me picking holes in the makeup of their board, or the rather contrived mutual star vehicle setup they had her in.

I do have a tendency to be cynical, but I do so based on experience, both first hand and from history.

Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by jazzyk on Thursday November 17, 2016 @11:13AM (#12978683)
I agree, unfortunately there was no "honest man"/woman to pick from in the end (Bernie Sanders was eliminated early, and perhaps unfairly).
Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by qoe2 on Thursday November 17, 2016 @08:52AM (#12977399)
I usually look into how long people in the team have stuck around.

Its usually a positive signal that mgmt is doing things right, if the smartest people on the team have stuck around for a bit.

I avoid founders\managers\teams\startups with great resumes but lot of churn.

Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by jrowley on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @07:34PM (#12973077)
> the engineering school can feel proud that they produced a graduate

It says in the article he graduated with a degree in Biology, but point taken.

Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by pinewurst on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @07:51PM (#12973178)
"He had just graduated after changing his major to biology to better prepare for a career at the startup, he says."
Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by kylec on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @10:15PM (#12973931)
Fair or not, when I think of Stanford I think of Brock Turner and Elizabeth Holmes.
Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by trhway on Thursday November 17, 2016 @12:39PM (#12979544)
These both didn't make it past a one year at Stanford.
Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by Dowwie on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @09:26PM (#12973717)
Stanford didn't produce this young man.
Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by user837387 on Thursday November 17, 2016 @07:13AM (#12976722)
Right on. Stanford was lucky that he honored them with their willingness to go study there. I would credit his parents. Maybe.
Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by Hitard on Saturday November 19, 2016 @02:12AM (#12992439)
Neither did it produce Elizabeth Holmes.
Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by zhemao on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @11:12PM (#12974185)
> But this kid stood up to his own family, and lawyers hired by his family

If I'm reading the article correctly, the lawyers who harassed him were hired by the company and not by his grandfather. The only lawyers his family hired were the ones fighting for him.

Re:Theranos Whistleblower Shook the Company and His Family by danso on Thursday November 17, 2016 @12:00AM (#12974468)
Ah yes, you're correct. The lawyers were at his grandfather's home, but not directly hired by him:

> His grandfather asked if he would sign a one-page confidentiality agreement to give Theranos peace of mind. According to Tyler Shultz, when he said yes, his grandfather revealed that two lawyers were waiting upstairs with the agreement...Tyler Shultz says his grandfather protested to the lawyers that this wasn’t what he and Ms. Holmes had agreed to earlier, but that Mr. Brille kept pressing the younger Mr. Shultz to admit he had spoken to the Journal.

Still, the grandfather was working in concert with Ms. Holmes, and I imagine at the time, it would've been difficult for Tyler to give his grandfather the benefit of the doubt, assuming that Tyler was not expecting lawyers to jump out at his grandfather's command.

I actually missed the paragraph where it's mentioned that his parents "pleaded with him to agree to whatever Theranos wanted" and told him that they might sell their house to deal with the legal costs. Add that to the checklist of things I'm not sure I could do if I were in his shoes.

(That his parents only responded to the WSJ reporter via a prepared statement suggests that there's still tension.)