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Re:Obama Administration Gives Up on Pacific Trade Deal by krisdol on Friday November 11, 2016 @04:38PM (#12934640)
But he's not aware of the whole story. Japan is paying us money (billions, I think) to keep those bases there. I assume the same goes with other countries. This isn't free protection.
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Re:Obama Administration Gives Up on Pacific Trade Deal by ern on Friday November 11, 2016 @05:12PM (#12934962)
In 1988, Japan loomed large in the American psyche, the same way China does today, if not more so. It was the unstoppable economic juggernaut that was destroying American jobs.

I doubt Trump would had the same views of Japan specifically, as he did then. He seems to have transferred his ire to China.

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Re:Obama Administration Gives Up on Pacific Trade Deal by jrockway on Friday November 11, 2016 @05:59PM (#12935274)
He took out a full-page ad in 1987:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/ilanbenmeir/that-time-trump-spent-n...

And read it almost verbatim at the third debate. It was quite interesting how little his views have changed in the intervening years.

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Re:Obama Administration Gives Up on Pacific Trade Deal by MichaelApproved on Friday November 11, 2016 @04:41PM (#12934678)
He just plainly thinks it's not enough. Here he is talking about how Japan is "beating the hell out of this country" and "they aren't paying" back in 1988 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI
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Re:Obama Administration Gives Up on Pacific Trade Deal by TheSpiceIsLife on Friday November 11, 2016 @05:03PM (#12934898)
He, Trump, started receiving intelligence briefings[1] at the same(?) level as Obama just a couple of days ago.

So we should start to see him become more aware of the facts. What affect this has on him remains to be seen.

1. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election...

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Re:Obama Administration Gives Up on Pacific Trade Deal by tootie on Friday November 11, 2016 @05:21PM (#12935012)
He received his first briefings months ago and promptly conflates them with public news reports and then lied about what he learned.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/08/trump-didnt-lea...

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Re:Obama Administration Gives Up on Pacific Trade Deal by hga on Friday November 11, 2016 @07:55PM (#12935884)
What affect this has on him remains to be seen.

Perhaps very little, since it's been known for some time they've been doctored to, shall I say, achieve certain domestic political goals.

If he wants to start dealing with this stuff sooner rather than later, he needs to get some of his advisers' clearances current again, and have them start digging.

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Re:Obama Administration Gives Up on Pacific Trade Deal by brianherbert on Friday November 11, 2016 @04:42PM (#12934698)
In Korea, the US is paid about $1 billion which is approaching half of the burden to the US.
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Re:Obama Administration Gives Up on Pacific Trade Deal by braveo on Friday November 11, 2016 @04:41PM (#12934675)
but are they paying us what we expend? I think that's the point being made here.

And I don't know the answer to that question, but it's important in this discussion.

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Re:Obama Administration Gives Up on Pacific Trade Deal by danenania on Friday November 11, 2016 @07:00PM (#12935623)
If you have to pay the same amount either way, why not spend it on your own military? While you may not get quite the same level of firepower, it will be under your control and you won't have to worry about a newly elected president leaving you high and dry.
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Re:Obama Administration Gives Up on Pacific Trade Deal by elevenfist on Saturday November 12, 2016 @12:37AM (#12936762)
Because it gives both of us a firm ally and makes it far easier for us to coordinate.
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