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Re:“DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users” by falcolas on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:38PM (#12914388)
Fortunately, you don't have to speculate about your first case in the US: the legal system has carved out exceptions to copyright against this kind of issue under the name of "Fair Use".

> I do not believe a content creator has the ethical authority

And here's the crux of our disagreement. You don't believe that the creator should have rights over their creation, perhaps because their creation came to you over a medium that allows for easy duplication.

I (and the US government, clear back to the constitutional convention) believe they should.

The rest of your argument centers on DRM; I agree that DRM is an abomination which should be abolished. It hurts both creators and consumers. But, and this is a big but, it's our own propensity to not respect the rights of the creator which has encouraged the adoption of DRM. If we were were only creating perfect copies of a creative work for the purpose backing it up, I don't think we would be here.

We don't just back it up, though, we create perfect copies and give them away or sell them for our own gain. DRM was originally conceived to stop this, and I have a hard time blaming them for going down that road when we were so blatantly breaking the law and ignoring the rights of the content creators.

We justify it with "it's just ones and zeros", or "information wants to be free", or "they would have made the content anyways"... but that's all it is, a justification. And in my opinion, that justification results in less original content.

Re:“DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users” by pdkl95 on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @06:41PM (#12916066)
> You don't believe that the creator should have rights over their creation, perhaps because their creation came to you over a medium that allows for easy duplication.

That "easy duplication" is entirely the point. The concept of property is based on the limited nature of physical objects. Land, food, books, player piano roles, and DVDs are scarce resources[1]. The zero-sum nature of scarce objects is where concepts like "theft" and "property" apply. We invented the concept of property to manage scarcity.

When dealing with anything that isn't scarce, the entire concept of "property" doesn't apply. Math, for example - those "ones and zeros" - is non-scarce. Teaching someone that 1+2 is 3 doesn't deprive the teacher future use of addition or the numerals 1, 2, or 3. Most reasonable people would agree that nobody gets to claim property rights over math, because it's a non-scarce idea.

> but that's all it is, a justification.

The unwarranted justification is claiming that unlimited ideas are a scarce resource that requires property rights.

> results in less original content.

Do you also complain that teaching algebra - where ideas are copied from teacher to student - results in fewer novel discoveries in mathematics? Just as teaching math tends to lead to more math discoveries, freely using non-scare stories, sounds, music, images, etc, often leads to more content creation. This is so common we invented terms like "remix" and "cover band" to describe some of the ways media is reused.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarcity

Re:“DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users” by givinguflac on Monday November 14, 2016 @05:48PM (#12954068)
I don't disagree and I hate DRM, but your math argument is slightly flawed. The teacher gets compensated evenly no matter how many students they teach, while conversely the artist gets paid per student, if you will. Neither scenario is a perfect analogy, but I just wanted to point that out.
Re:“DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users” by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @06:43PM (#12916092)
This is the fundamental disagreement on this issue: whether mental creations can be owned. The idea of property is an idea too; it can apply if we wish it to apply.

We can go down this rathole again, or agree to disagree. Btw the law does recognize ownership today.

Re:“DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users” by syshum on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @05:55PM (#12915660)
>>but that's all it is, a justification. And in my opinion, that justification results in less original content.

Given that more content from more people is being created today that at any point in human history runs counter to your statement

Copyright is about protecting the Gatekeepers, the Movies Studios, the Music Labels, the Book Publisher, not about protecting creators.

Karl Fogel does a great job explaining the History of copyright and why is it not needed to protect creators

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhBpI13dxkI

>> it's our own propensity to not respect the rights of the creator which has encouraged the adoption of DRM.

I do not recognize them as rights. Copyright is a Positive Right created by government. I am a supporter of Negative Rights theory and do not support any Positive rights at all

>>The rest of your argument centers on DRM;

it is not just about DRM,DRM is how they attempt to force my property to disobey my commands, it is also about the law the DRM is attempting to enforce on my machine

Re:“DRM is Used to Lock in, Control and Spy on Users” by charonn0 on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @06:03PM (#12915735)
Fair use is impossible under most forms of DRM.