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Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by traviswingo on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:39AM (#12911693)
First let me say that I don't smoke marijuana. I'm not a fan.

Now, I'm glad that this happened. Franky, I was sick of so much attention and focus on something so harmless. There are horrific problems in this world that need to be solved, and some high people drinking Slurpees on a couch watching cartoons shouldn't be the focus of our attention. Plus, the tax on this will bring a lot of revenues into the state.

Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by icanhackit on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:29PM (#12916438)
> some high people drinking Slurpees on a couch watching cartoons

You were probably generalizing to get your point across succinctly but to those who assume the above is true: you'd be surprised by how many lawyers, programmers, engineers, technicians etc use it every day to gain a sense of nuance the way a coffee drinker would sink an espresso for a stimulant effect.

It's also worth noting that the Indica strain is the couch-slob strain of marijuana, while Sativa is the head-high. To borrow from a reply I posted a little over a month ago: Your typical sativa high is a sensitivity to music in the way that sounds are broken down spatially, rhythms and bass seem more appealing, an intensity of thoughts - as in the small things now take on more meaning, imagery seems more interesting, colors pop, and it provides a general sense of relaxation as long as you're in a fairly predictable environment, yet you're in total control.

Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by Ntrails on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @12:26PM (#12912330)
> Plus, the tax on this will bring a lot of revenues into the state.

A winning argument if ever I heard one.

Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by lostgame on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @01:18PM (#12912995)
Why is this down voted? Upvoted for truth.
Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by Chris2048 on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @01:38PM (#12913226)
Who says it will be harmless?

Just because there are greater problems in the world doesn't mean we need another.

Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by duaneb on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @01:43PM (#12913275)
It can't be as harmful as jailing people.
Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by tomnipotent on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @02:47PM (#12913930)
This x1000000. It's not about legalization, it's about decriminalization.
Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by ac29 on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @05:17PM (#12915276)
The amount that was legalized was already decriminalized in California, a long time ago. See 11360b [0].

[0] http://law.onecle.com/california/health/11360.html

Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by duaneb on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:17PM (#12916338)
The problem isn't possession, it's intent to sell.
Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by Chris2048 on Thursday November 10, 2016 @07:06AM (#12919710)
So we should have laws we just ignore?
Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by Chris2048 on Thursday November 10, 2016 @07:06AM (#12919705)
Yes it can. The sentences are disproportionate sometimes, but the illegality isn't wrong.
Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by duaneb on Thursday November 10, 2016 @04:20PM (#12924474)
> but the illegality isn't wrong

Well of course it's illegal, that's why they got arrested. It doesn't mean that the legality has any grounds in reason.

Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by Chris2048 on Friday November 11, 2016 @07:31AM (#12930018)
I mean it isn't wrong that it is illegal.
Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by cmdrfred on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @02:40PM (#12913861)
So are you are for the prohibition of tobacco and alcohol or are you just logically inconsistent with your rhetoric?
Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by superninja234 on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @02:54PM (#12913990)
Perhaps he a is pro cartel lobbyist trying to make sure they don't lose any business
Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by Chris2048 on Thursday November 10, 2016 @07:05AM (#12919703)
It's not "logically inconsistent", that's your rhetoric. You are the one comparing these things, so the burden is on you to argue that point.

I'm anti-tobacco, pro more restrictions on alcohol.

Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by cmdrfred on Thursday November 10, 2016 @08:09AM (#12920023)
Yearly alcohol overdose deaths: 88k

Yearly marijuana overdose deaths: 0

Supporting alcohol use in any form is logically inconsistent with your argument.

Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by Chris2048 on Thursday November 10, 2016 @08:57AM (#12920359)
Alcohol which is legal versus marijuana which isn't, with no sensitivity to harm beyond fatality? No sensitivity to social issues arising from marijuana use; Can marijuana contribute to depression, for example.

You are incorrect in assuming your arguments are conclusive.

Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by cmdrfred on Thursday November 10, 2016 @09:07AM (#12920438)
Alcohol certainly contributes to depression. It also causes a great deal of social harm. If you heatmap crime in a city bars are often the epicenters of violent crime. Factor in that the majority of sexual assaults and domestic abuse cases involve alcohol and I'm not sure what your argument is.
Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by Chris2048 on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:29PM (#12922331)
Alcohol contributes to depression in excess, in small regular quantities what harm is there?

> If you heatmap crime...

Again, look at all the problems I had with your original arguments. Alcohol is legal, and hence there is far more opportunity to abuse it. Small, regular amounts of alcohol is likely not be be harmful at all - all problems arise from excess, hence there is an argument for restriction, not criminalization.

Why are you talking about alcohol rather than marijuana in any case? Your comparison is a straw-man - whatever can be concluded about alcohol doesn't necessarily apply to marijuana.

Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by cmdrfred on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:17PM (#12922749)
Why are you talking about alcohol rather than marijuana in any case?

Your assertion was that legalizing cannabis would cause social harm. If your goal is preventing harm then you must also criminalise the currently legal recreational drugs to be logically consistent.

Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by Chris2048 on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:30PM (#12922884)
> then you must also criminalise

No you don't, did you read what I wrote!

Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by cmdrfred on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:46PM (#12923023)
Drug that does objectively more damage = legal

Drug that does objectively less damage = illegal, it is too damaging

You have a right to an opinion, but logic is not open to interpretation.

Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by Chris2048 on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:52PM (#12923088)
> logic is not open to interpretation.

It is; you are just making up rules and calling them "logic". These are just your arguments, and they are flawed and inconclusive.

Again, read my comments, I'm not interested in your comparisons if you don't even answer to the problems with your own arguments.

Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by elchief on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @02:26PM (#12913694)
This guy avoids saturated fats and egg yolks too
Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by Chris2048 on Thursday November 10, 2016 @07:07AM (#12919713)
What?
Re:California has legalized recreational marijuana by elchief on Saturday November 12, 2016 @07:08PM (#12940985)
I was suggesting that his thinking was outdated