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Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by nashashmi on Monday November 07, 2016 @09:41AM (#12891298)
USB-C is celebrated as the dock mode connector. Isn't a constant dock to all those great things you mentioned sufficient? Is it really necessary to have all those ports everywhere you go? Take HDMI for example: do you really need that everywhere such that an extension will not work? Or a graphics card: another one cannot be added via USB-C?

The rest of your points are pretty funny e.g. no glowing apple logo!

[edit] For comments to this post, I add Apple is known for eliminating clutter before the industry does, without regard to cost. By making every user specifically buy adapters if they need it, they are simplifying the product, conserving resources, and making money too. Win, win, win.

Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by samtho on Monday November 07, 2016 @10:07AM (#12891579)
I agree that USB-C is awesome and is technically superior in every way. The problem is that right now very few things actually support being attached to a USB C host without some sort of adapter.

My biggest gripe, however, is the sudden loss of Magsafe in favor of USB-C charging only. This is a huge step backwards as Magsafe was developed to protect the computer and the charger from damage in case of a sudden, omni-directional tug. I can't imagine the internals of a USB-C connector holding up to that abuse. While they say you wont need to charge it as frequently, I don't buy that this will always be the case, not to mention it is very difficult to change user behavior and people will still attempt to charge it casually.

Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by mcphage on Monday November 07, 2016 @10:18AM (#12891696)
> I agree that USB-C is awesome and is technically superior in every way. The problem is that right now very few things actually support being attached to a USB C host without some sort of adapter.

In 3 years when you still own the machine and almost everything is USB-C, you'll probably feel differently about the ports.

> My biggest gripe, however, is the sudden loss of Magsafe in favor of USB-C charging only. This is a huge step backwards as Magsafe was developed to protect the computer and the charger from damage in case of a sudden, omni-directional tug.

This is my biggest gripe, too. Magsafe saved my ass more times than I want to think about.

Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by cwyers on Monday November 07, 2016 @12:44PM (#12893047)
I think you're really optimistic about how quickly everyone is going to switch to USB-C. Three years isn't enough time to have it be the standard for new devices, much less replace legacy stuff.
Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by mcphage on Monday November 07, 2016 @02:42PM (#12894275)
> I think you're really optimistic about how quickly everyone is going to switch to USB-C.

At this point, many new computers have USB-C, and a growing number of computers have only USB-C. So there's a market of people who need USB-C connectors, and untapped markets with a strong demand and a proven willingness to spend premium money attracts device manufacturers heavily. So maybe I'm being optimistic, but I don't think overwhelmingly so.

Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by jsjohnst on Monday November 07, 2016 @10:43AM (#12891891)
Buy the Griffin "MagSafe" USB-C cable. Problem solved!

I'm actually really surprised Apple didn't make it themselves.

Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by helthanatos on Monday November 07, 2016 @10:02AM (#12891534)
It's about convenience and servicing the greatest number of people. Some may need an SD slot often. Others may need to plug into an external display wherever they go. Maybe in five years C will be more universal, but now is not the time to remove them. They should have also left 1 or 2 USB-A ports. I don't have a single USB-C device.
Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by Lio on Monday November 07, 2016 @10:38AM (#12891861)
> Isn't a constant dock to all those great things you mentioned sufficient?

Then why not include it in the box?

Apple increased the price and removed the mains extension cable, surely they could have done something to make the transition easier?

We've been told that early Thunderbolt 3 compatibility is not consistent. So at this stage it's probably safer to stick with Apple branded dongles and adapters.

Something as simple as connecting my existing monitor through Display Port now needs an adapter. £30 [1]

As it stands it's not even clear yet what will and won't work with the new machines.

E.g. do I need to buy another USB-c Superdrive for the 2 times a year I have to burn a DVD for someone? £79 [2]

The existing USB-A Superdrive won't even work through a generic USB hub, will it work through a USB-A to USB-C converter? £9 [3]

I don't use HDMI very often except when I'm doing presentations but that's another £49. [4]

Not to mention I now need to spend £19 to connect my iPhone and another £19 to replace the extension cord they were too cheap to include.

It all mounts up; nickels and dimes.

[edit] I should probably add that, yes, I can expense this stuff to my business but it's still, it's a pain on a such a high end product.

[1]: http://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MMEL2/thunderbolt-3-usb...

[2]: http://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MD564ZM/A/apple-usb-sup...

[3]: http://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MJ1M2/usb-c-to-usb-adap...

[4]: http://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MJ1K2ZM/A/usb-c-digital...

Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by cakes on Monday November 07, 2016 @10:04AM (#12891553)
having a laptop currently (Latitude 7370) which has only one "classic" usb slot...I'd kill for 2...so having none would be even harder. It comes down to doing the simple things like using USB flash drives quickly without immediately needing a dongle.