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Re:Ask HN: Do you still use UML? by sidlls on Saturday November 05, 2016 @09:49AM (#12879758)
HackerNews may not be the best place to sample for UML usage. It consists mainly of two communities that have a bias against formal engineering methodologies in the development of software.

I won't comment on the pros and cons of UML. Instead I'll invite you to ask yourself a couple of questions.

1. What other clients do you support who have similar characteristics as this client (and may therefore also benefit from UML support)? If the number is significant in terms of impact to your bottom line versus the time you'd have to spend implementing it, then you should consider it worth your time, and view it as an opportunity to up-sell (if you can) or keep existing customers.

2. Do you intend to attempt to move into supporting large enterprise, and especially government contractors? If so, you might consider UML support just because it is ubiquitous there.

Re:Ask HN: Do you still use UML? by ausjke on Saturday November 05, 2016 @10:03AM (#12879809)
what are the two communities are you referring to? one of them might be frontend developers(ui,js,html,css,etc)? what is the other one?

I'm a low-level guy and learning some web coding these days, so I can tell the difference views on software between HN and other places.

Re:Ask HN: Do you still use UML? by sidlls on Saturday November 05, 2016 @02:22PM (#12881084)
Mainly the group that thinks of everything in terms of the mathematics of CS, and the group who thinks in terms primarily of "just ship, ship, ship code 'pragmatists'."

It isn't really divided by front end versus back end or the like.

Re:Ask HN: Do you still use UML? by bbotond on Saturday November 05, 2016 @10:57AM (#12879993)
My guess is the FP (especially Lisp) crowd.
Re:Ask HN: Do you still use UML? by ainot on Saturday November 05, 2016 @12:21PM (#12880388)
The FP crowd is so vocal. Reformed math geeks who are trying to evangelize the world of programming to do things one way; their way.
Re:Ask HN: Do you still use UML? by Slackwise on Saturday November 05, 2016 @02:55PM (#12881273)
> Reformed math geeks

I presume you mean the Haskell crowd? The Lisp crowd is more about expression rather than "correctness" and rigidity. FP doesn't really have a formal definition.

> trying to evangelize the world of programming to do things one way; their way.

I think the world of computing is shifting towards a lot of async work, and if you've ever written large threaded apps, having too much state becomes the greatest of burdens. Clojure, for example, minimizes state and uses Software Transactional Memory to manage mutability.

Re:Ask HN: Do you still use UML? by sidlls on Saturday November 05, 2016 @06:58PM (#12882373)
What's old is new again, it seems.
Re:Ask HN: Do you still use UML? by ainot on Saturday November 05, 2016 @11:33PM (#12883362)
If only the LISP syntax looked like a programming language and made logical sense.
Re:Ask HN: Do you still use UML? by ricogallo on Saturday November 05, 2016 @10:02AM (#12879807)
Care to explain which are those communities you are referring to?