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Re:Why Are US Presidential Elections So Close? by gremlinsinc on Thursday November 03, 2016 @06:04PM (#12868416)
As an EX democrat, I'd say the Democrat party is broken too, the amount of election fraud, and corruption in the party makes it look like the Mafia. The whole system is broken and we need to pass the anti-corruption bill asap, if we're to have a chance to take back our country from wall street.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhe286ky-9A

EDIT: I say ex loosely.. I voted mostly dem. down the line, but wrote in Bernie Sanders, I'm not fond of Jill Stein something about her doesn't seem right. But I couldn't in good conscience do a protest vote for Trump, and I can never support Clinton, the most corrupt politician of the past 40 years.

Re:Why Are US Presidential Elections So Close? by komali2 on Thursday November 03, 2016 @06:33PM (#12868658)
I voted for Jill Stein though she is (recently, apparently) anti-nuclear energy, and before that said some silly things about vaccinations and WiFi.

There is no perfect candidate other than perhaps yourself. When it comes to third party, you can safely consider your vote a vote for the party values themselves, rather than the candidate in particular. A vote for Jill Stein is really a vote for the major political parties to work on more green legislation.

Re:Why Are US Presidential Elections So Close? by gremlinsinc on Thursday November 03, 2016 @10:19PM (#12869868)
I feel that Jill's not that intelligent she's lacking in a lot of areas. Bernie is just brilliant all around. I figured I'll at least pick someone that I can feel confident about supporting, in the end I kind of hope Trump gets it for no other reason than to show the DNC they picked the wrong duck.

I actually led the charge on my site PivotAmerica.com to encourage people to go green/vote for Jill, but I don't really think it's possible to break up the two party monopolies anytime soon, and her opinions on vaccines, and nuclear energy are disconcerting.

A nuclear power plant is NOT the same thing as a weapon of mass destruction. And you can't just print money like she wants to do for the education plan - Bernie's plan of raising taxes on speculation makes way more sense. But I did throw my vote to down-candidate dems. But Hillary ran the shadiest campaign I've ever seen, and is one of the most corrupt people in the world. I'd say she's worst than Bush / Cheney imho, or at least not far removed in policy. (THey both supported the Iraq war after all).

Re:Why Are US Presidential Elections So Close? by notoothpaste on Thursday November 03, 2016 @06:58PM (#12868842)
From Trump's plan for his first 100 days in office (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/trump-pledges-to...):

>First: I am going to institute a 5-year ban on all executive branch officials lobbying the government after they leave government service.

>Second: I am going to ask Congress to institute its own 5-year ban on lobbying by former members of Congress and their staffs.

>Third: I am going to expand the definition of lobbyist so we close all the loopholes that former government officials use by labeling themselves consultants and advisors when we all know they are lobbyists.

>Fourth: I am going to issue a lifetime ban against senior executive branch officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.

>Fifth: I am going to ask Congress to pass a campaign finance reform that prevents registered foreign lobbyists from raising money in American elections.

>There is another major announcement I am going to make today as part of our pledge to drain the swamp in Washington. If I am elected President, I will push for a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress.

>Decades of failure in Washington, and decades of special interest dealing, must come to an end. We have to break the cycle of corruption, and we have to give new voices a chance to go into government service. The time for Congressional term limits has arrived.

If you wanted to actually do something about corruption in Washington instead of just talking about it, you should have voted Trump.

Re:Why Are US Presidential Elections So Close? by untog on Thursday November 03, 2016 @07:00PM (#12868848)
Even the shallowest dive into Trump's business dealings would show you that he is no stranger to corruption.

I personally do not believe that he would enact a single one of those campaign pledges.

Re:Why Are US Presidential Elections So Close? by krapp on Friday November 04, 2016 @09:27AM (#12872343)
He can't enact them. The presidency isn't a dictatorship.

I don't know why people keep acting like it is - Trump isn't going to ride into Washington on a white horse and pass a Constitutional amendment or fund a massive immigrant detainment and deportation program or convince Mexico to pay for a wall through sheer willpower.

At best, he'll try, and either have to compromise significantly to get anything passed at all, or else fail entirely.

Re:Why Are US Presidential Elections So Close? by gremlinsinc on Thursday November 03, 2016 @10:20PM (#12869876)
I hope trump wins because he'll be out in 2020 and maybe we get a better Pres. sooner than later. But he won't get any of his promises passed, they won't even make it to the congress floor. He'll be a lame duck president, and nothing more. I don't even see him wanting to run for re-election, as I feel this is a stunt to get more publicity for his reality TV empire.
Re:Why Are US Presidential Elections So Close? by untog on Thursday November 03, 2016 @10:27PM (#12869913)
I've heard that argument before, and it kind of amuses me. It's as if to say, yes, Hillary is awful, but if she's elected she'll probably do a good enough job that she will win re-election in four years time.

Those two things don't seem to go together well to me.

Re:Why Are US Presidential Elections So Close? by mcv on Friday November 04, 2016 @05:10AM (#12871214)
While reducing the influence of lobbyists is a laudable goal, it's hard to imagine how anyone could honestly see Trump as a fighter against corruption. His own business has been far too riddled with corruption and scams.
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Re:Why Are US Presidential Elections So Close? by mcv on Friday November 04, 2016 @09:12AM (#12872248)
No those are indeed not the same things, but they're also completely irrelevant to anything resembling reality.