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Re:Pornhub Bypasses Ad Blockers with WebSockets by digi_owl on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @01:47PM (#12857413)
Yeah i think all that red tape comes from appeasing the stock market, government agencies, and insurance companies.

Do not have the proper paper trail when shit hits the fan? Well there goes your share value, you get a hefty fine from government oversight, and the premium just went through the roof.

Re:Pornhub Bypasses Ad Blockers with WebSockets by devonkim on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @06:27PM (#12859964)
There's a great deal more than just regulations. I'd argue that for one line item of regulation in most poorly organized enterprises (most) you will get at least 10 jobs of bureaucracy to help track it not because of the regulation but because the culture of most companies is about disempowering employees from making decisions as much as possible. This is why the cultural definition of "devops" invoking Deming and empowering workers to make decisions closer to the problem site to me is literally against the existing company culture of Taylorism and sales where managers are worshipped for decision making.

Nobody really fined Target for its data breaches - pretty sure that PCI audits had passed repeatedly, in fact. Their stock easily recovered as well. So why are big companies so worried about security? Because breaches are a drag upon everyone and slows down features and improvements. I'm familiar with environments where change freezes are enacted for months after every critical outage, and nobody's regulations say to do anything like that. That's purely a belief in the false equivalency that stability and development velocity are antitheses. Gosh, someone tell Google and Amazon to fire their SREs and stop deploying any new code to get better availability numbers!

Re:Pornhub Bypasses Ad Blockers with WebSockets by mistermann on Friday November 04, 2016 @12:16AM (#12870329)
> the existing company culture of Taylorism and sales where managers are worshipped for decision making.

Is there an actual word for this type of management stupidity?

Re:Pornhub Bypasses Ad Blockers with WebSockets by JackFr on Thursday November 03, 2016 @09:42AM (#12863850)
Banks get fined for data breaches. Regulators will also fine banks for not having clearly documented and auditable release procedures.
Re:Pornhub Bypasses Ad Blockers with WebSockets by dingaling on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @02:21PM (#12857745)
Precisely; in industries where a company can be fined megabucks per day, or be shut-down entirely, for non-compliance those layers of approval and review are unfortunately necessary. Though of course some of them are just jobsworthing by middle managers.

How do porn companies continue to handle credit card payments without complying with PCI standards and processes?

Re:Pornhub Bypasses Ad Blockers with WebSockets by narrowrail on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @03:33PM (#12858482)
I don't have pr0n industry experience, but I worked for the largest merchant acquirer (MA) (the orgs that allow merchants to accept CCs) in the U.S. The merchant acquirer ecosystem has a pyramid structure where many Independent Sales Organizations (ISOs) service specific industries while re-selling CC acceptance from ~6 companies (~80%+ market share). These pr0n companies pay monthly rates that correspond with their chargeback numbers, etc and do not deal directly with the MAs.
Re:Pornhub Bypasses Ad Blockers with WebSockets by cerrelio on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @08:23PM (#12860600)
Big porn companies are very serious about PCI compliance. They also closely monitor their fraud numbers. If a MID (merchant ID) goes above 5% (volume or cash amount) fraud, the processor could get fined by Visa/MasterCard/etc ($50k+) and lose the right to accept credit card payments for that particular payment network. Processors who handle porn (high-risk) accounts will often have a general, shared account they'll let you use, because they can take measures to average down and hide the fraud. However, they charge you a premium to use that general account, so you're better off using your own if you have other measures to control fraud.

My former company solved this problem by simply acquiring a payment processor company. They had total control over their processing that way. As a bonus, they had access to other porn vendors' account activities, since it was one of the 4-5 major high-risk processors used by porn companies. It was a win-win for them.

Re:Pornhub Bypasses Ad Blockers with WebSockets by nickpsecurity on Thursday November 03, 2016 @12:29AM (#12861601)
re acquisition of their and competition's processor

They just keep getting more clever, devious, and entertaining, don't they? Shit, I'd do my own Braintree for my porn company with the company's positive gains from legit customers covering the losses from the others. Who cares if my bottom line at my main company was good. Success of processor could even pay for better fraud management.

Of course, already having enough cash to buy an established one is always nice. :)

Re:Pornhub Bypasses Ad Blockers with WebSockets by bcoates on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @02:45PM (#12857968)
In my experience the overwhelming majority of process introduced in the name of PCI compliance are not actually required by any of the documentation.

Whether you can find an auditor that will let you get away with merely following the rules is another matter.

Re:Pornhub Bypasses Ad Blockers with WebSockets by samsonradu on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @05:40PM (#12859580)
We don't handle the payments ourselves, they re all handled by high-risk merchants so we don't need to worry about being PCI compliant. Fees are bigger than the usual merchant ones though, lots of fraud and chargebacks.