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Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by lpa22 on Friday October 28, 2016 @05:02PM (#12820669)
These trade-in values are laughable[1]. You are better off selling on eBay. Microsoft does sure know their Apple laptop models though

[1] https://microsoftsurfacetrade.cexchange.com/online/home/inde...

Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by fletchowns on Friday October 28, 2016 @09:04PM (#12822026)
Selling something on eBay can be such a huge pain in the ass. I wouldn't be surprised if people were willing to pay for the convenience of doing it through Microsoft.
Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by emodendroket on Friday October 28, 2016 @10:51PM (#12822378)
Doubly true if you're the kind of person who owns a Macbook Pro and is considering buying a Surface.
Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by ndesaulniers on Saturday October 29, 2016 @03:55AM (#12823087)
As a seller, unless you're doing $1k+ business a year, you have next to no protections as a seller.

Was almost scammed trying to sell my MBP. Not worth ever selling anything of value eBay ever again.

Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by illuminati1911 on Saturday October 29, 2016 @02:07AM (#12822832)
Probably still much less pain in the ass than switching from MacBook to a Surface laptop.

If they just gave the cash it would be different but now you actually have to buy that.

Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by gist on Friday October 28, 2016 @06:03PM (#12821153)
> You are better off selling on eBay.

Great! Why don't you come here and do all that work for me!

(Sorry just a snarky lead in for my commentary).

I try to avoid selling at ebay if at all possible. I did just sell an iphone 6 and honestly if you don't sell regularly it's a bit of work plus you have fees and have to worry about the buyer complaining. In my case they wrote to me saying that they thought it was a 6 plus and would I take it back if they paid shipping? (No was no returns) So the withheld feeback and filed a complaint with ebay. It went in my favor (obviously it was listed correctly) however the entire experience I would have rather avoided and it took time and effort and writing to clear it up.

The advantage of a trade in program like this is if you are not trying to squeak out the last dollar in value you don't have to worry as much when you ship the item that everything is 100% perfect.

Edit: Of course the money does matter so I am talking in general about selling on ebay of course I'd see exactly what the delta was taking into account all fees and time involved.

Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by massysett on Friday October 28, 2016 @07:38PM (#12821693)
I will never sell on eBay again and I don't even need to see what the delta is. Ebay is full of non-paying bidders and people waiting to rip you off. I sold a Thinkpad on ebay. I kept getting bidders from foreign countries even though I specified that I wanted bids from my country only. Why can't ebay screen these out?

One winning bidder emailed me and said "I don't want this anymore." Ok, you just wasted my 7-day auction, thanks. Another bidder simply did not pay.

Sellers get more on ebay because selling there is such a pain that a considerable premium is necessary to justify it. Maybe it's worth it for strange collectibles. For a commodity like an Apple computer? Never worth it. I would sell to Gazelle or MS and be happy with the huge discount.

Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by hellofunk on Saturday October 29, 2016 @06:40AM (#12823414)
I had a similar problem a few years ago selling an old trusty graphing calculator. It's still leaves a sour taste in my mouth. The auction was for the United States only, but I kept getting a guy from Russia he wanted to bid on it. So I made the mistake of letting him. And he won the auction. And he paid and I sent it to Russia. And then he claimed he never received it and eBay gave him his money back so quickly, and I never got my calculator back. I've done international shipments for many years all over the world, and this is the only one that got "lost". So you do the math.

EBay has so disproportionately put the bias in favor of buyers that it is a true market for scams.

Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by Scoundreller on Saturday October 29, 2016 @11:35AM (#12824383)
In my experience, selling internationally means higher prices, which makes up for the occasional loss. It's like taking credit cards: You lose some revenue in fraud, and commissions, but make it back in additional sales.

I do choose which countries I sell to carefully, however.

My biggest "I didn't receive it" claim was from an American buyer, 3-4 days after the purchase.

Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by ghufran_syed on Friday October 28, 2016 @08:20PM (#12821863)
I haven't sold on there for a while, but it sounds much worse than it used to be. Can't you filter by number of positive reviews?
Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by robbiemitchell on Saturday October 29, 2016 @08:52AM (#12823723)
Worth pointing out two things:

- Sellers cannot leave negative feedback on buyers

- A common fraud technique is for a scammer to take over the account of someone with a good history (i.e., hack into it)

Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by Scoundreller on Friday October 28, 2016 @11:35PM (#12822516)
Not very well. I wish I could restrict my items to users with 50+ feedback, but I think Ebay fears everyone would do that.
Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by Scoundreller on Friday October 28, 2016 @11:34PM (#12822512)
Ebay's solution to non-paying bidders is to allow sellers to "Require immediate paypal payment to purchase".

And you can restrict your shipping options on a (mostly) country-by-country basis. Though that hasn't stopped me from getting queries about shipping to high-fraud countries.

Items typically sell for more on a fixed-price basis, don't bother with auctions unless you need the money fast.

Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by massysett on Saturday October 29, 2016 @06:51AM (#12823435)
I restricted my shipping options. Still got bids from other countries.

I required immediate Paypal. There is nothing to enforce this. Got two nonpaying winners.

Ebay auctions are completely worthless. Ebay could fix these problems: actually screen bids by country. Take a bid deposit. They obviously do not care about fixing it.

If I were to sell on ebay again, I would never use an auction. But even without auctions, people can still run scams. Forget it. For a small seller ebay is not worth it. Maybe businesses find it worth it to deal with all the crap on ebay.

Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by Scoundreller on Saturday October 29, 2016 @11:20AM (#12824299)
> I required immediate Paypal. There is nothing to enforce this. Got two nonpaying winners.

If you do a "Fixed price" listing and choose the "Require immediate Paypal payment" setting, the listing doesn't end until payment is received. This has been possible for years. `

Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by massysett on Saturday October 29, 2016 @10:33PM (#12827822)
They do not require auction winners to pay immediately. Thus, as I said, auctions are the problem.
Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by adventurer on Saturday October 29, 2016 @12:07AM (#12822594)
I see all this dislike of ebay. Maybe Facebook marketplace is an option. I have great pretty good things.
Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by lukewink on Friday October 28, 2016 @07:13PM (#12821574)
you are also better off selling your old car yourself instead of taking the dealer's trade-in offer. That doesn't stop a lot of people from doing things the easy way and potentially missing out on hundreds/thousands of dollars.
Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by emodendroket on Friday October 28, 2016 @10:51PM (#12822377)
Hey, no dealership is going to call you back in a couple weeks talking about lemon laws and demanding a refund.
Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by hsitz on Saturday October 29, 2016 @12:48AM (#12822688)
I don't think anybody can if you sell a used car as its owner. As far as I know, used car lemon laws apply only to cars sold by used car dealers.
Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by emodendroket on Saturday October 29, 2016 @10:42AM (#12824135)
I don't know the details of the law but I was under the impression that you can be sued as a private seller for misrepresenting the car in a negligent way (and obviously "negligence" can be in the eye of the beholder). I guess "lemon law" is not the term to use.
Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by dleslie on Saturday October 29, 2016 @01:48AM (#12822788)
Anyone can pick up a phone.
Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by achow on Friday October 28, 2016 @10:53PM (#12822381)
$50 'coupon' on trading in 13" Macbook Pro in working condition (!).
Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by Scoundreller on Friday October 28, 2016 @11:30PM (#12822493)
They sure do hold their value:

I'll be parting out my 2011 Macbook Air, and I'll only be out ~US$200 after purchasing a new 2015 Macbook Air.

Details: 3 months ago, I bought a new Macbook Air to replace my mid-2011 for CAD$1300 incl taxes (Approx US$1000).

They had an academic discount-promo for a free-pair of Dre Beats BT headphones, which I promptly Ebay'd for CAD$230.

I'm parting out my mid-2011 Air now on Ebay for CAD$950 total, and that's excluding a $40 part I broke, a worn-out battery, and a destroyed power adapter.

So, after 4 years, I practically traded in my old Macbook for a new one for $100 (excl Ebay and shipping costs, but still).

They hold their value, and people bother to repair broken 5 year old models.

Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by tomcam on Saturday October 29, 2016 @03:07AM (#12822968)
OK, you have me intrigued. How do you part out a MacBook air?
Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by Scoundreller on Saturday October 29, 2016 @11:16AM (#12824283)
With a few Torx screwdrivers and a Pentalobe screwdriver I bought from Ebay for $2 from Hong Kong.

Easiest laptop I ever took apart. Very intuitive. I could put the whole thing back together if I wanted to, which is nearly impossible with non-Macs once taken apart. It took 3 hours to take it apart and list everything, and I was doing other tasks at the time. Since all the parts are specially designed for Apple, they design for easy assembly, and therefore easy disassembly. They're not trying to hodge-podge a commodity SSD into their system by putting it in a housing held by 4 more screws. 1 screw for SSD. 10 for case. 1 for wifi. 6 for logic board. 6 for LCD. 3 for fan.

Since Macs are popular, there are lots of guides on ifixit, down to the "Take out this cable by lifting up this part, then pulling it out in this direction", along with high-res photos. A popular system also means a liquid market for spare parts. Apple has high standards and is notoriously incompatible with non-approved parts, so repairers prefer buying a used Apple component instead of 3rd-party parts when available.

Since Apple keeps a tight control on its suppliers, often the only spare parts are available from donors. For non-Apple systems, you can often find a manufacturer still selling new replacement parts, but not so for Macs. Lots of people out there will buy broken systems and then buy a replacement LCD or trackpad or logic board to bring it back to 100% and profitably re-sell it.

Rough Ebay value of each part: Logic board - US$200 SSD - US$80 LCD assembly - US$300 (even with a few dents/scratches, people break these things and replace. Even if you can buy the LCD panel itself, buying the whole assembly makes repair so much easier) Palmrest/KB/touchpad assembly - US$50 (same story: easier to buy the whole assembly rather than replace just the trackpad) Bottom case - US$20 Wifi card - US$15 Set of screws - US$9 1 flex cable - US$7 Total: US$681

Actual selling prices may end up being 10-20% less, but I like to start my prices high, then lower it every few weeks until sold. As I said, price would be higher if battery wasn't dead, I didn't break a part off the power board and if the power adapter wasn't fraying).

Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by tomcam on Saturday October 29, 2016 @06:16PM (#12826735)
Wow! That is amazing. Thanks for a detailed write up and for opening my eyes to this possibility. I have a bunch of old MacBook airs so it's not just academic to me.
Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by Scoundreller on Sunday October 30, 2016 @05:47PM (#12832546)
No problem. Please wait a bit for my parts to sell before listing yours ;)
Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by ndesaulniers on Saturday October 29, 2016 @03:58AM (#12823095)
maybe they mean part with not part out?
Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by Scoundreller on Saturday October 29, 2016 @11:20AM (#12824301)
No, part-out, just like most laptops, there is a liquid spare parts market for people that fix units with a broken this or that. People like to drop/spill on their laptops, and metal isn't very forgiving :)

See my post above.

Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by invokestatic on Friday October 28, 2016 @05:06PM (#12820707)
It's just Microsoft-branded CEXCHANGE.
Re:Microsoft offers Apple users $650 off to trade a MacBook ... by vnglst on Saturday October 29, 2016 @02:39AM (#12822894)
50 dollars for my Macbook Pro Retina?! No thanks. I must be worth more than that.