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Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by swissoak on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:04PM (#12819559)
>her opponent represents the very real specter of the end of democracy and the closing of our free society

Let me get this straight. Hillary intentionally subverted the democratic process by having the DNC work against Sanders. We have concrete evidence of her working with one of her PACs, which again is highly illegal and subverting our democratic process. She has shady and inappropriate meetings with people responsible for running the voting process. She's sponsored by people who own the voting machines. And not to mention that she has inarguably done highly illegal things with her private email server and got off without charges, showing the injustice of our two-tier criminal justice system.

edit: removed argument I rescind and check out this recording of Hillary that came out today: http://observer.com/2016/10/2006-audio-emerges-of-hillary-cl...

"That troubled me deeply. I do not think we should have pushed for an election in the Palestinian territories. I think that was a big mistake. And...if we were going to push for an election, then we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win."

And Trump is the one threatening our democracy?

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by Delmania on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:19PM (#12819709)
> And Trump is the one threatening our democracy?

He has stated that if elected, he'll spend the first 100 days suing his accusers.

He believes the press has too much freedom of speech.

He has claimed the election is rigged against him, and has all but told his supporters to engage in vote suppression.

He has said he will attempt to force all Muslims to register into a database.

He has said he will ban all Muslims from entering the nation.

Would you like me to go? If you listen to his words at campaign rallies, they bear a striking resemblance to fascist dictators on the rise.

Clinton may fit the mold of the "crooked Washington politician", but at the least, she has a basic respect for democracy. Trump, on the other hand, would attempt to utterly plow his way through our legal system for his own gain.

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by luxuryballs on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:38PM (#12819895)
The reason he said it was 'rigged' is because of the overwhelming bias and frankly twilight-zone behavior of the media who are clearly donating to Clinton and wanting to maintain whatever special privileges they have under Obama.

We have a real problem with the press in this country... great example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVsnMuaFjhE

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by Delmania on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:47PM (#12819967)
Yes, I've seen that interview, where Gingrinch accused Kelley of being fascinated with sex and then attempted to use Bill Clinton's indiscretions as some sort of way to discredit Hillary. This is after he talked to his exwife about divorce while she was recovering from cancer and then later has an affair. At that point, it was clear the interview served no useful purpose.

Additionally, all major media publications have come out in support of Trump for the simple fact he has, in no way shape or form, demonstrated any leadership capabilities. He tweeted at 3 am for days following the first campaign about the Miss USA issue. How does demonstrate a steady hand and patience?

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by swissoak on Friday October 28, 2016 @04:24PM (#12820284)
Oh no, he tweeted at 3AM. Obviously unqualified to be President.

Pathetic.

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by chris11 on Friday October 28, 2016 @05:27PM (#12820886)
He tweeted at three a.m. that people should look for a non-existent sex tape because he got his feelings hurt that a model he called fat was publicly supporting Hillary.

I for one hope our president isn't concerned about how much models weigh. And if they are, I hope they don't respond to criticism by slut-shaming that person, especially for something they didn't do. So, no suggesting at 3 am that people investigate the sex life of someone who attacked him isn't very presidential.

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by swissoak on Friday October 28, 2016 @05:37PM (#12820958)
I'm more concerned about our President's view about foreign wars that kill tens to hundreds of thousands of civilians, but I guess if you want to focus on their tweets then go ahead.
Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by chris11 on Friday October 28, 2016 @06:44PM (#12821397)
I haven't gotten to a point where I can compare Clinton and Trump on policy. First I don't think Trump really has consistent or in depth policy on anything. Second, I just don't think Trump has the temperament or stability to be President. I don't know why Trump would be better on foreign wars. But I think foreign policy under a Trump presidency would be based entirely on Trump's personal opinion.

Sure, tweets are inconsequential, and I think politics would be more productive if disagreements focused on policy differences. But his words and actions show that he's a really petty and shallow person. And he would be a petty and shallow President. I don't think he really has many specific well thought out plans he could actually implement.

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by yongjik on Friday October 28, 2016 @06:34PM (#12821344)
...which makes me wonder whether Trump has any "view" at all about foreign wars that kill thousands of civilians.

The fact that he never had to worry about such stuff doesn't bode well for his ability to handle such stuff.

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by swissoak on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:26PM (#12819768)
This is all disingenuous hyperbole. There are plenty of terrible things to pin on Trump without inflating bullshit memes. There is a nugget of truth to some of what you say, but it is not said or meant in the way you state it, and there's no nuggets of truth in anything I have seen that has anything to do with subverting the voting system.
Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by Delmania on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:31PM (#12819814)
This is how I know you've never listened to anything Trump has said on the campaign trail. In fact, just yesterday, he said the nation should cancel the election and name him the winner: http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/27/politics/donald-trump-cancel-e....
Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by swissoak on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:35PM (#12819859)
He was obviously not serious in a literal sense of his words. He was making a point. It'd be like being a football coach shit talking before a game - "the other team should give up, they don't stand a chance". He doesn't literally mean they should give up.

This is so blindly obvious to me and anyone else who's capable of a rational thought. I cannot believe you are seriously try to suggest he meant that in the sense that he wants to subvert the election process.

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by Delmania on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:51PM (#12820011)
Wait, should I bring the point at which he said, during a national TV debate, that he would keep us in suspense about his decision to accept the outcome of the election? Then later state he would only accept it if he won? Maybe we should discuss the form on his website that says, “stop crooked Hillary from rigging this election.”?

How about his claims of voter fraud despite the fact that no evidence has been found?

>This is so blindly obvious to me and anyone else who's capable of a rational thought.

Ad hominen attack, but I suspect you support Trump.

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by swissoak on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:58PM (#12820068)
For the record, I don't support Trump. I think it's highly likely he has sexually assaulted women in the past, I think he's tremendously unqualified to be president, his plan to lower corporate income tax is complete bullshit, and even if he hasn't explicitly said anything racist (I'm not informed enough to say either way) I think it's awful that he's cultivating racists around him unapologetically.

Despite all this, I am fucking sick and tired at the outright lies, slander, and disingenuous arguments against Trump. There is plenty to attack him on without all the bullshit. And I'm sick of the Hillary reality distortion that is, from what I can tell, the absolute epitome of everything wrong with politics today.

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by xenadu02 on Friday October 28, 2016 @04:48PM (#12820529)
> Despite all this, I am fucking sick and tired at the outright lies, slander, and disingenuous arguments against Trump. There is plenty to attack him on without all the bullshit. And I'm sick of the Hillary reality distortion that is, from what I can tell, the absolute epitome of everything wrong with politics today.

What is so confusing here? Trump has stated repeatedly that if he loses the election was rigged. He was not joking, he was dead serious. He repeated the claim multiple times. He even refused the settle the issue during the third debate.

That statement alone is a disqualifying event for any politician.

Looking at your other posts I don't believe you about voting third party, you're an obvious Trump supporter. Why lie about it?

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by swissoak on Friday October 28, 2016 @05:01PM (#12820644)
I would love to see sources of him saying the elections are rigged if he doesn't win, regardless of circumstances, and it being clear he meant it literally.

Also, suck it: http://i.imgur.com/DJgcABL.png

There's no easy way to for me to 100% prove that's my image or that I immediately hit the "cast ballot" button after taking it, but I promise you won't find that image anywhere else on the internet. And if it helps further drive the point home, there is at most one Republican on that entire ballot.

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by 58 on Saturday October 29, 2016 @09:47PM (#12827633)
> you're an obvious Trump supporter

No he's not. I agree with most of his comments here and I'm voting for Stein too.

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by switchfoot23 on Friday October 28, 2016 @04:41PM (#12820470)
Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by luxuryballs on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:32PM (#12819829)
He won't be suing anyone from the Oval Office. His lawyers will be suing people after the election for making up false accusations, which is still this year, still during the Obama administration...

Does anyone REALLY think that someone who was sexually assaulted by a BILLIONAIRE wouldn't have cashed in already?

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by cmdrfred on Friday October 28, 2016 @05:42PM (#12820999)
>Does anyone REALLY think that someone who was sexually assaulted by a BILLIONAIRE wouldn't have cashed in already?

No actually, they all decided together an hour before the the email leaks were about to be released to the public about things that happened decades ago and to release a tape of him. That clearly has no political motivation what-so-ever and how dare you question it.

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by williamle8300 on Friday October 28, 2016 @04:19PM (#12820236)
Are you dizzy from all of the spinning?
Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by matwood on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:17PM (#12819688)
> She has Obama, using tax payer money, campaigning for her - while not illegal, is pretty morally bankrupt in my opinion.

Just a point, this is normal with the sitting President campaigning either for themselves for their second term or their parties nominee. Both Trump and Hilary have plenty of valid points against them, so there is no need to muddy the water with points that don't really matter.

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by pfraze on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:14PM (#12819661)
Oh, stop. I don't like Hillary, but Trump says he'll contest a loss. That's what actual subversion of the process looks like. Everything you're bringing up is politics.

> Hillary intentionally subverted the democratic process by having the DNC work against Sanders.

Getting elected is a process of building key supporters, including within your own party.

> We have concrete evidence of her working with one of her PACs

All candidates do, and use some level of indirection to stay within the regulation. The regulation is toothless for campaign finance reform, so why get worked up about it.

> She has Obama, using tax payer money, campaigning for her

Outgoing presidents always campaign on behalf of their party's nominee.

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by tropo on Friday October 28, 2016 @06:48PM (#12821427)
Gore contested his loss. Was that actual subversion of the process?

If the election is close, I think the loser has a duty to contest the loss. Trump contesting the election would be every bit as right as Gore contesting the election.

What is so bad about this? The reaction people are having is strange. It's as if people are purposely misinterpreting Trump's words as implying that he will march on Washington D.C. with a militia. The realistic assumption is a Gore-style lawsuit, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by pfraze on Friday October 28, 2016 @07:11PM (#12821562)
I agree with you, to a point. Gore's case was uniquely bad, and I'm not convinced it wasn't fraud, personally. But he made the challenge after there was evidence of fraud; he didn't lead up to the election hinting that any potential loss is due to a rigged vote.
Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by fny on Saturday October 29, 2016 @12:44AM (#12822679)
There's no comparing Trump to Gore. Gore did not so brazenly claim the election was rigged prior to voting, and he did concede after the recount. Also he never claimed universal fraud, just issues with the Florida result alone. In the end, he lost by only 537 votes in Florida.

[0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_election_recount

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by swissoak on Saturday October 29, 2016 @11:53AM (#12824471)
Gore himself has said, after lots of investigation, he is confident Bush won the electoral vote of Florida.
Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by luxuryballs on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:30PM (#12819802)
He didn't say he would contest a loss, he said he wouldn't make a decision until the election actually took place. How anyone expects someone to predict the future is beyond me and the logic of the question shows that it was totally a trap so they could write sensational news headlines.
Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by pfraze on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:44PM (#12819931)
Please! Your interpretation of "I'll keep you in suspense" only makes sense if you strip the context. The question of concession was only asked because, he's been claiming the election is rigged. So that question of concession, translated to include the context, was,

"Ok Donald, are you really going to claim to the nation that the elections are rigged, and that you won't accept their results?"

And his, answer was, "We'll see." Which means, yes! He's standing by the claim. So don't equivocate Trump's position. It's not media sensationalism.

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by makomk on Friday October 28, 2016 @06:32PM (#12821333)
Both Clinton and her supporters have been rather obviously laying the groundwork to challenge the results if they lose with claims about Russia hacking election systems and conspiring to support Trump. (I'm still not sure how having a list of voters is meant to help Russia with this if casting fake votes is really that hard, but never mind - this election is post-truth anyway.) The real difference is there's no chance in hell she'd be stupid enough to admit that.
Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by swissoak on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:49PM (#12819982)
Obama called it rigged in 2008.
Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by cpr on Friday October 28, 2016 @08:11PM (#12821818)
Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by swissoak on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:32PM (#12819826)
Exactly. The anti-Trump hyperbole is ridiculous and ruins any credibility people have when attacking him.
Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by BinaryIdiot on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:47PM (#12819969)
> She has Obama, using tax payer money, campaigning for her - while not illegal, is pretty morally bankrupt in my opinion.

This is not actually true. While he is forced to only use Airforce One when flying he is required by law to reimburse all costs related to campaigning for anyone. Typically though the president never pays for this and, instead, the candidate they are campaigning for foots the bill.

Every single president in the history of our democracy has done this. Every single one of them.

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by maxerickson on Friday October 28, 2016 @05:27PM (#12820885)
The NPR article linked below links a better one for discussing the history of presidents campaigning:

http://www.npr.org/2016/07/05/484817706/looking-back-at-a-ce...

McCain in 2008 and Gore in 2000 both sort of wanted the sitting president to stay out of the campaign. Bush was pretty unpopular and Clinton had a lot hanging over him (Bush left office with an approval rating around 30%, Clinton around 60%).

Reagan campaigned timidly for Bush I.

So in the last 40 years, it hasn't been very common for the sitting president to come out and campaign hard for their parties candidate. Of course they have generally campaigned for themselves, which has a similar issue of dealing with who pays for things.

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by narrowrail on Friday October 28, 2016 @10:19PM (#12822277)
I know it was a long time ago, so you were probably not considering it, but I thought the Wikiped entry for 1876 pres elections was interesting:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_ele...

"Because it was considered improper for a candidate to pursue the presidency actively, neither Tilden nor Hayes actively stumped as part of the campaign, leaving that job to surrogates."

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by swissoak on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:52PM (#12820016)
My point is that it is morally void, one candidate is doing it, the other isn't. That it's been done historically has absolutely zero relevance as to whether it is a moral thing to do (see literally any example of civil rights laws progressing over the past 300 years).
Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by BinaryIdiot on Friday October 28, 2016 @04:11PM (#12820169)
> My point is that it is morally void, one candidate is doing it, the other isn't.

Huh? There is only one president...what's the problem with campaigning for someone else that you support? I don't see the moral issue. If you're paying for it and you're obviously not doing it in lieu of your duty what's the issue here?

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by swissoak on Friday October 28, 2016 @04:19PM (#12820234)
Ok - I looked this up. DNC paid out some money when Obama used AF1. They only paid at the rate of what a regular charter jet would cost, but that makes sense. I don't have a problem with this and I rescind that particular part of my argument.

>Every single president in the history of our democracy has done this. Every single one of them.

This NPR article calls it "unusual" but maybe I am missing something since I only read it at a glance: http://www.npr.org/2016/07/07/485097272/fact-check-air-force...

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by MaxfordAndSons on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:24PM (#12819749)
> Hillary intentionally subverted the democratic process by having the DNC work against Sanders.

Sanders was basically an independent running as a Dem. Even though I would have preferred him, it's ridiculous to expect the party not to be preferential towards the inside candidate who has decades of connections. Also primaries are not subject to the same level of protections or expectations of institutional impartiality as general elections, which sucks, but is simply the political reality. Also this is all moot because Hillary won by a significant margin.

> We have concrete evidence of her working with one of her PACs, which again is highly illegal and subverting our democratic process.

Citation?

> She has Obama, using tax payer money, campaigning for her - while not illegal, is pretty morally bankrupt in my opinion.

It's completely normal for the outgoing president to campaign for his party. Only reason Bush didn't do it for McCain was because he was so unpopular at the time.

> She has shady and inappropriate meetings with people responsible for running the voting process. She's sponsored by people who own the voting machines.

Citations?? I haven't heard of any of this. Also - so what? Sounds like a Breitbart or Drudge invention.

> And not to mention that she has inarguably done highly illegal things with her private email server and got off without charges, showing the injustice of our two-tier criminal justice system.

"Inarguably"? If it was truly "inarguable" Comey would have recommended prosecution in the first place.

Trump, otoh, has expressed his desire to suppress the free press, to normalize relations with dictators, to jail his political opponents (not something the president has the authority to do, not that he understands that). He's encouraged violence at rallies and on election day. He's encouraged minority voter suppression and intimidation (which has been part of the republican platform for the past decade, so he's not exceptional in that regard, just in how nakedly he does it). The things HRC has done or been accused of are normal, if disappointing, qualities of a mainstream American politician. The things Trump has done and said he'll do are very clearly in the tradition of fascism.

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by luxuryballs on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:36PM (#12819862)
To jail his political opponents? That sounds like a convenient way of spinning the fact that he wants Hillary Clinton to be properly investigated, the fact that she is a political opponent has nothing to do with her crimes.

Dang... a President who wants to follow the laws and not give special passes to those in power? We can't have that!

The fact that Hillary is able to get away with criminal behavior WHILE IN OFFICE is one thing, but why anyone would want her in office again is beyond me. Why would the democrats even want to risk that?

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by heurist on Friday October 28, 2016 @05:04PM (#12820690)
A year of impartial FBI investigation isn't enough?
Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by swissoak on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:29PM (#12819798)
>"Inarguably"? If it was truly "inarguable" Comey would have recommended prosecution in the first place.

Go look at the reason he gives for not recommending prosecution. It has nothing to do with whether what she did was illegal.

Go Google the rest yourself, it's not hard to find and I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince someone who can't be convinced. My comments are targeted at people reading this who might not be aware of the bullshit going on.

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by MaxfordAndSons on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:54PM (#12820025)
> Go look at the reason.

Okay.

"Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.

In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here."[1]

Potential violations of statues, without criminal intent ≠ "inarguably highly illegal things".

> Go Google the rest yourself, it's not hard to find and I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince someone who can't be convinced.

Okay! Lets see, sources in the first two pages of google results for "clinton voting machines": zerohedge, usapoliticstoday, thepoliticalinsider, conservativedailypost, breitbart, inforwars, wnd, libertywritersnews, quora (lol), snopes (for obvious reasons), proudcons, theconomiccollapseblog, counterpunch, thecommonsenseshow, thegatewaypundit, ajc. Not that the "MSM" is completely unbiased, but openly partisan publications don't really constitute news sources to my mind. If there were really such blatant attempts at election rigging going on, I have faith that an impartial journalist with integrity would be looking into it and/or an adjacent party would have sufficient incentive to blow the whistle. It would be huge news.

> My comments are targeted at people reading this who might not be aware of the bullshit going on.

Don't think you'll find too many of those on HN, but good luck fighting the good fight.

[1]https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-b...

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by swissoak on Friday October 28, 2016 @04:07PM (#12820146)
>Potential violations of statues, without criminal intent ≠ "inarguably highly illegal things".

One does not need to intend to do something for it to be highly illegal. There is an absolute boat load of cases where people did 1/10th of what Hillary did, without any proven intent, and went to prison for it. Thousands of people are prosecuted every day by our criminal justice system without any intent.

And in the same quote: "potential violations". He completely dodged having to explicitly say that it was illegal, which anyone with a security clearance can plainly tell you. The only reason he didn't explicitly say she didn't break the law was because it would be a lie that he even couldn't pull off.

It is so blindingly obvious that this is a load of horse shit. He is being vague, misleading, and deliberately obtuse.

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by vkou on Sunday October 30, 2016 @04:01PM (#12831908)
Intent is only irrelevant in statutory offenses.
Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by mcphage on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:39PM (#12819901)
> She has Obama, using tax payer money, campaigning for her - while not illegal, is pretty morally bankrupt in my opinion.

Is this your first election?

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by danenania on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:36PM (#12819867)
The stuff you're talking about is awful, but it's par for the course in the system we have. It shouldn't need to be said, but it can get a LOT worse.

If you really care about things like democracy, human rights, civil liberties, and freedom of speech, handing the country to an egomaniacal authoritarian just to prove a point is the height of strategic stupidity.

Re:FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Befo... by jessaustin on Saturday October 29, 2016 @05:16PM (#12826439)
...an egomaniacal authoritarian...

Please clarify whom you're referencing here.