News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:MacBook Pro by rwhitman on Thursday October 27, 2016 @03:34PM (#12808947)
I get the sense that there is a movement inside Apple right now to abandon the professional market. Everything they've released lately for pros has been half-hearted at best. I'm getting increasingly concerned that one day soon they will drop Mac OS products altogether and just leave us to the wolves
Re:MacBook Pro by oatmealsnap on Thursday October 27, 2016 @06:42PM (#12811019)
It just seems like their definition of "pro" has changed.

It used to be video professionals and graphic designers. Now it's developers and web designers. Developers don't need SD slots or a screaming GPU (although you can never go wrong with a better GPU). I worked off of a 2012 MBA with an external display for years, and it still fits the bill! Light enough to carry around between work, home, and coffee shops, powerful enough to run a local web server and all the apps I used for development and 2-3 screens, and enough battery life to get a day's worth of work done.

Apple will never drop MacOS or their Pro level computers because their Pro line is what makes their iOS App Store revenue. Their definition of "pro" is just going to be less video-centric, and more developer-centric.

Re:MacBook Pro by bobwaycott on Thursday October 27, 2016 @06:50PM (#12811085)
> Their definition of "pro" is just going to be less video-centric, and more developer-centric.

Their recent slate of choices makes me wonder how they are being developer-centric. Or if they understand developers at all. They sure don't make a point of showing off developer-centric features, innovations, and upgrades.

Re:MacBook Pro by JimDabell on Thursday October 27, 2016 @07:25PM (#12811377)
> They sure don't make a point of showing of developer-centric features, innovations, and upgrades.

They spend a week doing that every year at WWDC with thousands of people in attendance.

Even today, at a consumer-focused event, they made a point of telling people that developers could hook into the Touch Bar for their own applications.

Re:MacBook Pro by bobwaycott on Thursday October 27, 2016 @08:35PM (#12811796)
Apparently we have very different ideas of showing off products meant for developers. That's not the same thing as making things developers can use for consumer-focused applications. When is the last time WWDC featured developer-focused hardware, meant to improve developer productivity—or even something as subjective as happiness?
Re:MacBook Pro by benologist on Thursday October 27, 2016 @10:25PM (#12812541)
I think it's more accurate to say iOS developers are their focus. Apple just opened an academy in Italy for those developers, and gave them their first taste of programming on the iPad via Swift Playgrounds, a language Apple created for them.

They'll probably have an IDE on the iPad Pro, AKA the future of personal computers according to Cook, before we even see a hardware refresh with Kaby Lake.

Re:MacBook Pro by pier25 on Sunday October 30, 2016 @05:42PM (#12832517)
Don't forget the audio guys. Logic has been neglected for such a long time. Unlike Final Cut and Garage Band it didn't even get a mention in the Hello Again event.
Re:MacBook Pro by tedmiston on Thursday October 27, 2016 @04:09PM (#12809408)
I hope not. I know more professional developers in startups using Apple laptops over anything else on the market. They have to recognize the size of that market.

Edit: Added "in startups"

Re:MacBook Pro by rwhitman on Thursday October 27, 2016 @04:29PM (#12809672)
Geographically once you get outside of major tech hubs, the Mac's market share as a developer workstation is quite tiny. I remember one time I was sent out on site to a big corp in an office park in New Jersey and everyone in the cubicles around me came up and cracked jokes about my MacBook, tried to challenge me because I wasn't a "real developer" since I used a Mac etc.

Honestly I'd guess the main people keeping the Mac line afloat at Apple are probably their own engineering staff. Imagine having to develop Apple products on another OS, how frustrating that would be

Re:MacBook Pro by gm-conspiracy on Thursday October 27, 2016 @04:54PM (#12809999)
Imagine having to develop Apple products on another OS, how frustrating that would be

That future seems to almost be here.

Or the ecosystem will be abandoned.

Re:MacBook Pro by sumitgt on Thursday October 27, 2016 @05:41PM (#12810504)
The fact that we did not get a new Mac Mini or Mac Pro should be a good hint at which direction things are headed.
Re:MacBook Pro by threatofrain on Monday October 31, 2016 @04:20PM (#12840577)
Which is so sad because I feel that the Mac Mini is an excellent addition in homes and classrooms!
Re:MacBook Pro by sumitgt on Monday October 31, 2016 @11:50PM (#12843249)
Yes, I was planning on abandoning my MacBook Air. Moving to a SurfaceBook + Mac Mini (for iOS builds) setup. Not happening I guess :|
Re:MacBook Pro by artursapek on Thursday October 27, 2016 @04:42PM (#12809863)
I think the macs are going to remain a necessity for development to be done on their precious mobile line. I don't think they will ever be killed off completely but they are certainly being de-emphisized
Re:MacBook Pro by gm-conspiracy on Thursday October 27, 2016 @04:55PM (#12810020)
I am assuming the decision-makers do not realize the importance of the developers to their success in mobile at all.
Re:MacBook Pro by jjawssd on Thursday October 27, 2016 @03:58PM (#12809254)
The writing is on the walls
Re:MacBook Pro by hellofunk on Thursday October 27, 2016 @04:38PM (#12809801)
But then they would have nothing to write iOS apps, so I don't think that will happen.
Re:MacBook Pro by gm-conspiracy on Thursday October 27, 2016 @04:56PM (#12810030)
Too bad you are not a VP at Apple. They could use that sort of thinking.
Re:MacBook Pro by tonyedgecombe on Friday October 28, 2016 @04:03AM (#12813895)
It would be quite sad if you end up having to develop iOS apps on Windows/Linux.
Re:MacBook Pro by golergka on Thursday October 27, 2016 @10:53PM (#12812658)
Hackintosh.