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Re:MacBook Pro by aianus on Thursday October 27, 2016 @02:36PM (#12808014)
> No USB port that 100 out of 100 keyboards and mice will plug into

I haven't had a non-bluetooth input device since 2009.

Re:MacBook Pro by untog on Thursday October 27, 2016 @02:38PM (#12808044)
We're not all you. I strongly prefer USB devices because I don't have to care about battery charging and pairing. It just works.
Re:MacBook Pro by awj on Thursday October 27, 2016 @03:25PM (#12808815)
> We're not all you.

Which, apparently, is only an acceptable response if you're criticizing the decision to remove ports. I have literally no need for a 3 1/2 floppy these days, but I'm sure not everyone "is me". Should that be a standard adapter as well?

Re:MacBook Pro by Chos89 on Friday October 28, 2016 @04:00AM (#12813889)
No, because the floppy is on 1% devices and the usb is on 99,99%, not really a fair comparison
Re:MacBook Pro by aianus on Thursday October 27, 2016 @02:52PM (#12808293)
Clearly Apple believes there are more people like me (with bluetooth cars, headphones, keyboards, and trackpads) than people like you. Anyways, his "100 out of 100" comment is comically wrong.
Re:MacBook Pro by untog on Thursday October 27, 2016 @02:53PM (#12808327)
No, Apple believes there are more people willing to convert to being like you, and buy all new devices. Not that there are today.

And they're welcome to do so, but they're pushing consumers like me away from their products.

Re:MacBook Pro by hota_mazi on Thursday October 27, 2016 @04:16PM (#12809500)
They might believe it but their world market share in the personal computer space being around 5% clearly shows they're wrong.
Re:MacBook Pro by paradite on Thursday October 27, 2016 @02:52PM (#12808298)
The USB standard has evolved along the way. It is ironic that you "prefer USB" devices but fails to show support for USB-C ports.

(Edited to be less personal)

Re:MacBook Pro by untog on Thursday October 27, 2016 @02:57PM (#12808404)
Oh, come on. I don't "support" anything, being a fanboy of a peripheral plug variant is a life I don't even want to contemplate.

I'm very happy to adapt to new things, when they offer a demonstrable benefit to me. What benefit does a USB-C keyboard give me, exactly? I don't need the extra bandwidth to transmit keypresses. Why not include one or two traditional USB3 ports alongside the USB-C ports to ease people over to a new standard?

Re:MacBook Pro by Scaevolus on Thursday October 27, 2016 @03:44PM (#12809080)
Unfortunately, there's no height for traditional USB ports! If you look at the photos, the 3.5mm jack is just barely fitting. USB-A is ~4.5mm tall, while USB-C is 2.5mm tall.

Compare these images:

15" new: http://images.apple.com/v/macbook-pro/j/images/overview/thun...

15" old: http://www5.pcmag.com/media/images/483214-apple-macbook-pro-...

I don't really need a laptop to be so thin, but it's a defining feature for Apple's "premium" feel.

Re:MacBook Pro by izacus on Thursday October 27, 2016 @05:59PM (#12810666)
So make it a 2mm thicker and USABLE WITHOUT HASSLE. So it "just works" no matter where you are!
Re:MacBook Pro by idlewords on Friday October 28, 2016 @02:08AM (#12813500)
And use the 2mm for more battery.
Re:MacBook Pro by paradite on Thursday October 27, 2016 @03:22PM (#12808773)
> I'm very happy to adapt to new things, when they offer a demonstrable benefit to me.

It takes time before you can see the demonstrable benefit. For starter

- USB-C solves the which side to plug in issue

- It's a unified charging port besides data transfer (one charging cable for all devices in the future)

- It's also a unified display port (one display cable for all devices in the future)

Re:MacBook Pro by DoofusOfDeath on Thursday October 27, 2016 @04:37PM (#12809790)
being a fanboy of a peripheral plug variant is a life I don't even want to contemplate.

For coming up with that sentence, everyone here owes you a beer.

Re:MacBook Pro by anonymfus on Thursday October 27, 2016 @03:14PM (#12808670)
>What benefit does a USB-C keyboard give me, exactly?

That you can connect it to phones with USB-C without any dongles. Almost all new phones have USB-C. Except one from Apple.

Re:MacBook Pro by untog on Thursday October 27, 2016 @03:20PM (#12808744)
...why on earth would I want to connect my full-size PC keyboard to my phone?
Re:MacBook Pro by AtheistOfFail on Thursday October 27, 2016 @03:47PM (#12809106)
/u/MechanicalKeyboards would like a word with you.
Re:MacBook Pro by bdcravens on Thursday October 27, 2016 @02:49PM (#12808234)
Many developers use mechanical keyboards - I haven't seen any with Bluetooth (typing this on a Das Keyboard Ultimate)
Re:MacBook Pro by skMed on Thursday October 27, 2016 @04:32PM (#12809714)
Not a knock here since I know this is not a majority case, but for marginally quick typists, I would say these wireless/bt keyboards are useless. Input lag is dreadful.
Re:MacBook Pro by threeseed on Thursday October 27, 2016 @06:36PM (#12810959)
This is the first time I've heard about input lag.

I've used a BT keyboard for years and am the fastest typist out of every developer I've met so clearly something is wrong with your statement.

Re:MacBook Pro by skMed on Friday October 28, 2016 @12:03AM (#12812974)
I type roughly 150 WPM without many errors, though I can burst much higher. The last disconnected keyboards I tried were:

* Apple Wireless Keyboard

* Logitech K 300

* Microsoft -god-knows-what-it-was-called- from back in the day.

In all cases, I experienced stuttering or dropouts of my input at high speeds. This did not happen all the time, but it was frequent enough where I felt the need to go back to a wired keyboard (currently Filco Majestouch). Maybe I had a bad batch, or something was interfering with the signals in my homes. Either way, I don't plan on recommending wireless alternatives for quite some time.

Re:MacBook Pro by ascagnel_ on Thursday October 27, 2016 @03:05PM (#12808537)
They do exist! I occasionally use a Varmilo VB87M that connects via BT and charges an internal battery with micro-USB.
Re:MacBook Pro by nerfhammer on Thursday October 27, 2016 @03:36PM (#12808968)
There's no reason for this. The switches in a mechanical kb aren't electrically any different than those in a membrane kb.

Not that I'm seriously suggesting it, but it occurs to me that you should be able to make something with an Arduino to make any kb bluetooth.

Re:MacBook Pro by majewsky on Thursday October 27, 2016 @05:29PM (#12810393)
The point is that they're mechanically different, not electrically.
Re:MacBook Pro by nerfhammer on Thursday October 27, 2016 @06:03PM (#12810699)
mechanical difference has nothing to do with their wirelessness or lack thereof
Re:MacBook Pro by bergie on Thursday October 27, 2016 @04:16PM (#12809508)
I use the Filco Minila Air. Bluetooth keyboard with all the different cherry switches available.
Re:MacBook Pro by jhildings on Thursday October 27, 2016 @02:48PM (#12808208)
Might be a OK solution if it was not that OSX continuously losing Bluetooth connection, the mouse paring when switching mouse is buggy or you want to play computer games at all.
Re:MacBook Pro by crooked-v on Thursday October 27, 2016 @02:58PM (#12808423)
I despise bluetooth keyboards because they always disconnect at the wrong time.

Now, I do stick with wireless keyboards in general, but that's because the proprietary Logitech dongle has never failed me in years.

If Apple can ever make a Bluetooth keyboard that "just works" in the sort of way they're advertising their upcoming AirPods will, including working properly during the boot menu and every time I restart into Windows, then I might reconsider it.