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Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by notliketherest on Thursday October 20, 2016 @12:45PM (#12753920)
I haven't had a Facebook for years, yet I'm absolutely convinced that Facebook has maintained my social graph through pictures my friends and others have posted with me in them. This is the real unprecedented threat: crowdsourced surveillance by a private company. We need strong laws and leaders to prevent this sort of thing from happening in the first place. And should the government be allowed to "tap in" to this graph to monitor people with a warrant? Scary times.
Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by lalos on Thursday October 20, 2016 @03:51PM (#12755517)
I believe this is widely known as 'dark profiles' can't seem to find that many articles but here is one: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2165543/Faceb...

Also they keep track of that info easily when somebody migrates their phone address book on to the Messenger or Facebook app, on first install it prompts you to push all that data. They have your name, number and the connection between that user and you.

Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by pdkl95 on Thursday October 20, 2016 @02:41PM (#12754982)
For a look at a disturbingly plausible future, see Tom Scott's ~2min sci-fi short "Oversight".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIuf1V1FhpY

Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by Mathnerd314 on Thursday October 20, 2016 @05:49PM (#12756489)
It's plausible only in spirit. An actual listing of terrorists does not have 3 terrorists within a 1-mile radius, and does not need volunteers; the FBI already has such a database. But as recent terrorism has shown, the databases are not be sufficient to prove or disprove terrorism. It's just more security theater.

If the FBI started extending its database to more trivial crimes, like say speeding tickets, then it might start being useful. A law that isn't enforced evenly isn't really a law; it's an excuse for the police to harm people they don't like. Computerized enforcement seems like a good goal to aim for.

Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by j_s on Thursday October 20, 2016 @03:01PM (#12755140)
How prescient pre-Snowden (2013).
Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by benevol on Thursday October 20, 2016 @01:45PM (#12754428)
> We need strong laws and leaders to prevent this sort of thing from happening in the first place.

The government has been benefiting for a long time from surveillance brought to you by Facebook, Google, Microsoft and Co.

Our leaders won't prevent anything.

And the People have been electing these leaders for a long time and continue to do so.

Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by CapitalistCartr on Thursday October 20, 2016 @01:09PM (#12754117)
Right now, the police don't even need a warrant, merely the coöperation of the corporation.
Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by luizlopes on Thursday October 20, 2016 @03:12PM (#12755203)
> government uses corporations to do what government cannot do, and corporations use government to do what corporations cannot do.

I can't remember where I read, or heard this. However, it made sense to me.

Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by paavokoya on Thursday October 20, 2016 @03:46PM (#12755469)
The CIA is an arm of US corporate interests that carries out missions to benefit US corporate interests abroad.
Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by aisofteng on Thursday October 20, 2016 @08:00PM (#12757206)
That's a ridiculous claim. Do you have any evidence of that?
Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by dredmorbius on Thursday October 20, 2016 @08:38PM (#12757394)
Guatemala (1952-54) and Iran (1953) both come to mind. United Fruit and Anglo-Iranian Oil -- the latter a British firm, but with distinct US interests. Cuba (Bay of Pigs) and US sugar, alcohol, and tobacco interests.

Almost certainly Sukarno (Indonesia), though that nominally had Communist concerns as well. Indonesia was a source of oil, natural gas, tin, copper, gold, natural rubber, and tropical hardwoods.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Guatemala#...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27état

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

Noam Chomsky should be a good source for more such information.

Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by dimino on Thursday October 20, 2016 @03:15PM (#12755232)
Well that's simply not true...
Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by AnimalMuppet on Thursday October 20, 2016 @04:31PM (#12755886)
Evidence? Counter-argument? Anything?

Just a flat-out denial of a seemingly-true statement does nothing to advance the conversation.

(Why do I call it a seemingly-true statement? Because if a local ISP, say, will answer questions from the police, without a warrant, then the police are likely to feel free to call the ISP and ask questions when they don't have a warrant. Human nature likes not having to do the extra work.)

Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by dimino on Thursday October 20, 2016 @04:51PM (#12756053)
I don't need evidence to question a claim, only to make a counter claim.

I am questioning the claim that law enforcement doesn't need a warrant to legally view data about an individual or individuals collected by a 3rd party.

Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by AnimalMuppet on Thursday October 20, 2016 @05:04PM (#12756146)
First, "that's simply not true" is a counter claim. So now you need evidence.

Second, yes, law enforcement needs a warrant to legally compel a company to provide them with information. But what if the company (or an individual within it) is willing to provide data without being served with a warrant? Unless taking the information is in violation of privacy laws, what's to keep a police officer from using that? (Call it an "informant" if you wish to equate it with similar non-electronic situations.)

Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by dimino on Thursday October 20, 2016 @05:04PM (#12756157)
I withdraw the counterclaim, then. I simply dispute the original claim.

As for a company providing information without a warrant, recent case law is closing/has closed the door on a company's ability to do such a thing (not that they are, considering how many companies have stringent privacy agreements with their users).

Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by AnimalMuppet on Thursday October 20, 2016 @05:24PM (#12756312)
Let's separate this into a few different things.

1. If a company (or an individual) provide information to law enforcement on request, without a warrant, is that disclosure itself breaking the law? (Ignoring company policy and privacy statements here.)

2. If so, will the company be prosecuted for doing so?

3. Will the information be usable in court?

When you say "recent case law is closing the door on a company's ability to do such a thing", it sounds like you're talking about #3 (but feel free to clarify if I'm wrong). But #1 is still a concern, because it can show the police where to try to do parallel construction.

Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by dimino on Thursday October 20, 2016 @06:08PM (#12756619)
I first want to finish dealing with the original claim and the focus of my actual comment.
Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by pdkl95 on Thursday October 20, 2016 @04:59PM (#12756111)
Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by dimino on Thursday October 20, 2016 @05:04PM (#12756152)
"the Court is cautiously developing new standards of Fourth Amendment protection, including a rejection of a strong third party doctrine."

https://works.bepress.com/stephen_henderson/34/

Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by pdkl95 on Thursday October 20, 2016 @05:28PM (#12756335)
US v Jones, which your link discusses, didn't rule on the 3rd-party doctrine, which is (unfortunately) still being used. Yes, Justice Sotomayor, in her concurring opinion, made a very good case for revisiting what "expectation of privacy" means and suggested that constitutional protections should extend into 3rd party data. Chief Justice Roberts made similar comments[1] in the court opinion for Riley v. CA.

However, those cases addressed specific questions (placing a GPS tracking device, and searching a cellphone that was found upon arrest) and did not rule on the general use of the 3rd-party doctrine. I hope those cases are a sign of change in the court that will lead to broader rulings in the future, but that hasn't happened yet.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riley_v._California#Opinion_of...

Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by dimino on Thursday October 20, 2016 @06:46PM (#12756838)
> But in the broader view, it is not merely one Justice who will not apply the third party doctrine in a strong form, and thus I have previously written the doctrine’s obituary.
Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by npsimons on Thursday October 20, 2016 @03:52PM (#12755526)
> I haven't had a Facebook for years, yet I'm absolutely convinced that Facebook has maintained my social graph through pictures my friends and others have posted with me in them.

Considering that Facebook is known to construct shadow profiles of people who don't even use the service "yet", this shouldn't come as a surprise.

Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by TearsInTheRain on Thursday October 20, 2016 @02:23PM (#12754832)
This has already happened. See Geofeedia: http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/geofeedia-surveillance-softwa...
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Re:Facial Recognition’s Threat to Privacy Is Worse Than Anyo... by sctb on Friday October 21, 2016 @04:52PM (#12764653)
Please stop doing this.