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Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by contingencies on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @10:08PM (#12740450)
On the one hand you criticize Wikileaks for publishing all the data they have received, implying it is 'random' and 'out of context', and that they are acting out of a want to 'generate a conspiracy or uninformed internet rage'. This implies that you would prefer they edit and interpret sources before publication.

Unfortunately, on the other hand you want them to be 'neutral' and 'credible'.

I believe Wikileaks does a good job of maintaining the middle ground by providing both raw documents and context and analysis. Your suggestion that they are generating conspiracies does not stand up to analysis: by providing raw documents they do the opposite.

With regards to immediacy, Wikileaks has explained their processes in the past with regards to source validation. One of the most obvious attacks against the organization would be publishing false information through them to discredit them publicly. Therefore all information received must be carefully researched and validated, as well as anonymized, before publication.

Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by res0nat0r on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @10:12PM (#12740466)
They lost credibility again this time around with daily drips right before the election. Anyone not biased realizes it is obvious they are trying to hurt Clinton.

Dumping all they had at once when they received it would at least appear to be less of an agenda. They aren't providing "raw" documents since they are doing it now drip by drip, again trying to rile up uninformed folks right before the election.

Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by kakarot on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @07:02AM (#12742703)
Sure they're trying to hurt Clinton. Dissemination of information is entirely okay, and this idea that Wikileaks has an OBLIGATION to remain "neutral" is stupid, picking the least damaging presidential candidate isn't some kind of activity where we all have to be "fair". If you aren't getting violent, there is no reason why you can't release whatever information you wish.
Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by ebfe on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @07:21AM (#12742794)
I don't think that he's suggesting they have an "OBLIGATION" to remain neutral, but rather that he'd prefer they did.
Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by JamesBarney on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @02:13PM (#12746227)
Just as Ecuador has no obligation to allow him to peddle that influence from their internet connection.
Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by contingencies on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @10:40PM (#12740589)
Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by nickpsecurity on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @09:57AM (#12743767)
The commenter's point is still true. It appears targeted straight at Clinton while Trump has plenty of dirt they could report. The timing is also not a coincidence as Assange previously did shock and awe campaigns like Collateral Murder. He knows what he's doing.

Personally, though, he lost credibility for me after how he ditched Domsheit-Burg talking like a crazed egomaniac after deceiving many into thinking he had more staff and protection for them than he really did. Now, he's an egomaniac and has a strong, political bias. Practically graduated to position of one of corporate media's talking heads. Edit to add: just with more muckracking!

Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by choko on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @12:14PM (#12745110)
I think the more mainstream media sources have the Trump stuff covered already. Since they have done a poor job releasing and publicizing information on Clinton, I think wikileaks is providing a valuable service.

I assume since many mainstream sources show a strong bias, they also lost credibility with you?

Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by nickpsecurity on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @01:57PM (#12746065)
"I assume since many mainstream sources show a strong bias, they also lost credibility with you?"

The difference is they're profit generating machines we all know is bullshit where Wikileaks claims to be an activist organization fighting to get the truth out to take down business and government corruption. Then gets really focused on one political party to benefit of another corrupt party. I definitely will call that out.

It's fine if they want to be just another biased, ego/profit-centric outlet. We'll just add them to list of sources, factor in bias, and try to determine truth. People will just have to stop treating it like it's trustworthy or an activist organization.

Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by rfrank on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @02:26PM (#12746323)
Bias is acceptable if you're earning a profit? The "that we all know is bullshit" bit is highly debatable, and doesn't really reflect the reality of news consumption for most Americans [1].

How does releasing information on one party and not the other invalidate their position as activists? No information on Republicans means WikiLeaks no longer cares about fighting corruption and increasing transparency? And that they're somehow profit driven because of that too?

Should they have looked for information on all of the detainees at guantanamo when they released the guantanamo files, just to avoid the possibility of perceived bias?

1. http://www.journalism.org/2016/07/07/pathways-to-news/

Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by nickpsecurity on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @02:42PM (#12746481)
"How does releasing information on one party and not the other invalidate their position as activists? "

A consistent series of attacks focusing on the Left while the Right is doing lots of damage makes them activists against the Left specifically. Different than activists for civil rights or honest government/business.

" No information on Republicans means WikiLeaks no longer cares about fighting corruption and increasing transparency?"

It's odd that we see revelations and reports on both of them consistently from groups like The Guardian and The Intercept but not this activist.

"And that they're somehow profit driven because of that too?"

He was before that. Constantly fund-raising then charging people for little Assange parties. These days he seems to be driven by ego and/or hate of government. His leaks and reports in the old days were a mix of evil government and business.

"Should they have looked for information on all of the detainees at guantanamo when they released the guantanamo files"

Now you're just making stuff up. That's nothing like a supposedly neutral organization covering two, known-dirty candidates who are constantly pulling stunts.

Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by rfrank on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @02:57PM (#12746640)
> Different than activists for civil rights or honest government/business.

If you perceive the Right or Left to be the greater threat given the information that you have, why do you have any obligation to report on them equally? IE how 75-100% of CNNs front page is anti-Trump stories on any given day.

> It's odd that we see revelations and reports on both of them consistently from groups like The Guardian and The Intercept but not this activist.

Why?

> Constantly fund-raising then charging people for little Assange parties.

Fundraising doesn't mean profit. 501c3s also fund raise. As I'm sure you and basically everyone else on this site is aware, running an org that's active in multiple countries over the course of a decade isn't free.

> His leaks and reports in the old days were a mix of evil government and business.

The current Podesta emails somehow aren't? Have you read them at all? For instance, the stories about Podesta's dealings in Russia [1].

This email [2] includes an attached legal bill regarding formation of Leonidio LLC. Is that not government and business corruption?

1. http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/how-hillarys-campaign-chief-hid-m... 2. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/13946

Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by lawnchair_larry on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @10:28AM (#12744066)
Trump has nothing that wikileaks could report.
Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by nickpsecurity on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @10:36AM (#12744140)
People been reporting shit on Trump for years but it's scattered everywhere. If I was accused of shilling, I'd put that together into a report slamming him too. Plus solicit any dirt Republican insiders have on him in venues they probably read. Maybe that's just fair and impartial people like myself, though. ;)
Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by oh_sigh on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @03:34PM (#12746962)
> Trump has plenty of dirt they could report.

How do you know? Maybe Trump has a modicum of security on whatever systems uses.

Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by nickpsecurity on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @05:17PM (#12747759)
Because people other than Assange publish it. ;)
Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by oh_sigh on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @06:41PM (#12748350)
What Trump data has been leaked/hacked?
Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by cmdrfred on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @01:59PM (#12746076)
>They lost credibility again this time around with daily drips right before the election. Anyone not biased realizes it is obvious they are trying to hurt Clinton.

Do you make the same claim about the women who accused Donald Trump of sexual assault the same day that leak was released? Or the person who released the "Grab her in the pussy" audio at that time? For sure they are biased, but everything they seem to release turns out to be real.

Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by abawany on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @03:49PM (#12747077)
I saw this come up in the Thiel-related thread yesterday but didn't say anything but I will say it now: the right time for the release of the sexual assault reports for Trump was during the repub primaries. Releasing it now has not seemed to hurt him one bit in the eyes of his ardent fans.
Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by cmdrfred on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @04:22PM (#12747362)
It moved the poll numbers pretty far. It really shows what Americans care about, sex.
Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by dragonwriter on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @04:33PM (#12747436)
There's hasn't been that much movement since they came out, and even for the movement that has occurred, it's pretty hard to pull out the effects of the comments and allegations from things like the debates.
Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by Tomte on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @05:45AM (#12742404)
> On the one hand you criticize Wikileaks for publishing all the data they have received

But they don't, as Assange has admitted himself.

They publish data they deem worthy of publishing.

Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by kakarot on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @06:59AM (#12742691)
Yeah, that's how it tends to work. Why publish something not worthy of publishing?
Re:Ecuador acknowledges it has "temporarily restricted" Assa... by Tomte on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @07:12AM (#12742747)
Fine with me. I'm just rebutting the constant "they aren't out to get Hillary, they simply don't have material on Trump. Or Russia. Or..." and "of course they have published personal information of regular, non-prominent citizens. They publish everything" by the Wikileaks supporters