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Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by Normal_gaussian on Monday October 17, 2016 @02:19PM (#12727689)
> "this isn’t a disagreement on tax policy, this is advocating hatred and violence."

As an outsider looking in, isn't Hillary's history in advocating hatred and violence?

Again, as somebody who isn't all that familiar with the state of the states isn't the choice between a moron and someone who is systematically immoral?

Either way, its a sad state of affairs.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by untog on Monday October 17, 2016 @02:23PM (#12727726)
> As an outsider looking in, isn't Hillary's history in advocating hatred and violence?

Not really, no. Hillary has made some questionable choices, but I don't think that makes her any more or less "systematically immoral" than Trump - she just has a longer record, because she actually has political experience.

For example, both Trump and Clinton were in favor of the Iraq war. Trump got to backpedal and pretend otherwise later, because he never had to take a binding vote to express his opinion one way or the other. That doesn't make him a better person.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by dragonwriter on Monday October 17, 2016 @02:27PM (#12727782)
Clinton is clearly on record as having been in favor of giving the President conditional authority to go to war; only Trump is on record actually supporting the decision to go to war.
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Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by untog on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:03PM (#12728179)
Are you saying the current Syrian crisis is entirely attributable to Hillary Clinton and no-one else in the world?
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by rtx on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:22PM (#12728447)
No, but when people in power play their little games this happen.
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by untog on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:30PM (#12728577)
What is your proposal to remove war from the world? I'm sure a lot of us would be in favor.
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by rtx on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:36PM (#12728700)
We can start by not voting for warmongers and hawks. Americans had an opportunity to vote for Sanders. But I guess they are too far removed from these incidents.
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by gohrt on Monday October 17, 2016 @04:24PM (#12729341)
I can't believe I'm linking to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeasement
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by jshevek on Monday October 17, 2016 @04:11PM (#12729197)
It's not too late to vote for Jill Stein. I'm not sure any of the four most prominent candidates are qualified for the position, but at least one could make a vote against war.
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by serge2k on Monday October 17, 2016 @04:34PM (#12729453)
Trump outright stated he would deliberately bomb women and children.
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by rtx on Monday October 17, 2016 @06:03PM (#12730204)
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by Normal_gaussian on Monday October 17, 2016 @02:48PM (#12727987)
That's an odd side line to take it on. Surely it is much better to consider her history as a whole? As far as I'm aware isn't she quite the supporter of what I am assuming we would both consider fundamentally immoral regimes across the world?
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by untog on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:03PM (#12728170)
Define "supporter". Politics is dirty, and often involves doing business with not-nice people in order to achieve goals. That doesn't mean you support them, just tolerate them. I'm not saying this is a good thing, but this how the world works.

It's hardly as if Trump is any different, when you look at his attitude towards Russia, and that's before he's even gotten any political power.

About the only way to avoid this would be to elect an entirely isolationist President who refuses to talk to the outside world, which isn't really an option these days.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by zzzeek on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:09PM (#12728253)
would things go better if the US severed diplomatic relations with countries like Saudi Arabia? Running a country is hard.