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Re:Pastry Chefs Are in Demand, Why Aren’t Wages Rising? by Spooky23 on Thursday October 13, 2016 @08:18PM (#12705312)
That's a pretty ridiculous statement which pretty much speaks for itself.

Software development is as much robotics as baking. I'd guess that easily 75% of the tasks being performed by programmers in 1999 are fully automated by APIs and frameworks today.

Re:Pastry Chefs Are in Demand, Why Aren’t Wages Rising? by ryhamz on Thursday October 13, 2016 @10:06PM (#12705700)
>I'd guess that easily 75% of the tasks being performed by programmers in 1999 are fully automated by APIs and frameworks today.

Not defending this guy, but it's not like we are still making the same product (pastry equivalent) as 1999. We go through the automation and then build on top, right?

Re:Pastry Chefs Are in Demand, Why Aren’t Wages Rising? by Sacho on Friday October 14, 2016 @06:20AM (#12707134)
I find it hard to believe that pastries and pastry-making haven't evolved with the introduction of better tools, materials, different recipes, etc..
Re:Pastry Chefs Are in Demand, Why Aren’t Wages Rising? by logicallee on Friday October 14, 2016 @06:33AM (#12707181)
I think everyone completely missed my point. You can hire someone (who has no baking skills) away from starbucks and teach them to follow an exact recipe precisely, in a few hours. You can't hire someone with no programming skills (doesn't know what a loop or if statement is) and train them to join your programming team in a few hours or even a few days. It's just not possible, unless they learn miraculously quickly. I think other respondents might have forgotten what it means not to be able to program at all, or what it means to follow a recipe precisely. You can't compare the two.
Re:Pastry Chefs Are in Demand, Why Aren’t Wages Rising? by logicallee on Friday October 14, 2016 @10:21AM (#12708236)
>Software development is as much robotics as baking

The next time you see a bus (public transportation) suppose that every person on it were committed to joining your bakery as a junior baker, and one at a time you must teach each of them how to follow one particular recipe exactly. You have two hours with each person. How many of them, if they are motivated and attentive, could you train to be able to follow any recipe?

Now repeat the thought experent, a busful of motivated people. If you have two hours to teach them to be junior software developers, how many will you succeed with?

There are no clear steps any non-dev (who does not know what a loop or if statement is) can follow to start developing. You can't use a non-developer as a junior dev, unless they're an incredibly fast learner and willing to put in incredible amounts of training on their own or on your time.

(I am talking about following other people's recipes exactly, not coming up with new ones.)

Re:Pastry Chefs Are in Demand, Why Aren’t Wages Rising? by Dylan16807 on Friday October 14, 2016 @05:51AM (#12707043)
And the other 25% isn't.

When you are mass-producing a pastry, the other 25% is still robotic repetition.