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Re:The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan by dexterdog on Thursday October 13, 2016 @01:39PM (#12702562)
It's funny because when I think of "politicians who sow hatred, insecurity, fear and division for their own ends and don't care what mess they leave behind" I would first think of the Democrats.
Re:The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan by ghostly_s on Thursday October 13, 2016 @01:49PM (#12702634)
So you just roll a 20-sided die to come up with your opinions, then?
Re:The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan by dexterdog on Thursday October 13, 2016 @01:52PM (#12702659)
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Re:The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan by arrosenberg on Thursday October 13, 2016 @01:57PM (#12702691)
He's pointing out that the Republicans are objectively the more divisive party in 2016. To be fair, it goes back and forth - 10 years ago I would have agreed with you.
Re:The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan by kristianc on Thursday October 13, 2016 @02:06PM (#12702756)
Within the context of the song in 1964, Dylan was also objectively talking about Republicans (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy).

But, as you say, it goes back and forth and in the 19th Century it was the Democrats who were known for this. Neither party has a great history with race.

Re:The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan by cdelsolar on Thursday October 13, 2016 @02:59PM (#12703145)
that is objectively false.
Re:The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan by dexterdog on Thursday October 13, 2016 @03:15PM (#12703274)
Is it? Tell me what has objectively improved for blacks in the last 8 years.
Re:The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan by kurthr on Thursday October 13, 2016 @06:59PM (#12704864)
Wow... that's an easy one, but since you asked.

Black US unemployment went from 15% (peaking at 16% a year later) in 2008 back down to 9.1% in 2016 (close to the 2007 pre-recession low).

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm

http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2011/ted_20111005.htm

I encourage your fact based discovery of the economic condition of this country and it's citizens.

Alternatively, we can all live in total fear of ISIS taking over the country.

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-isis-will-take-over-us-...

Re:The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan by dexterdog on Thursday October 13, 2016 @09:09PM (#12705512)
Black unemployment peaked at 16 when the national rate was 10. It dropped to 9.1 when the national rate is 5 so blacks did significantly worse than society as a whole.
Re:The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan by qmalzp on Thursday October 13, 2016 @09:52PM (#12705661)
Depends on how you look at it.

Going from 84% to 90.9% employment rate represents an 8.21% increase in the proportion of black people who are employed.

Going from 90% to 95% employment rate represents a 5.55% increase in the proportion of Americans who are employed.

Re:The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan by kurthr on Thursday October 13, 2016 @11:13PM (#12705927)
I am confused. How can a decrease in unemployment from 16% to 9 not be an objective improvement for american blacks in years?

Do they look back from todays "hellscape" recovery and remember the wonder days when we wondered how many people would lose their jobs or homes to foreclosure? Or did they rejoice when black RNC head Michael Steele was forced to kowtow Rush Limbaugh after Obama was elected?

Re:The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan by dexterdog on Friday October 14, 2016 @08:45AM (#12707683)
Because unemployment improved for everybody, but it improved for a significantly smaller percentage of blacks that it did for the population as a whole.
Re:The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan by nl on Friday October 14, 2016 @12:08PM (#12709020)
It dropped ~6.9% for blacks, ~5% for the population as a whole.

Prior to the financial crisis it was 4.6% overall, 8.3% for blacks[1].

So now it is 8.9% worse that the per-crisis number for all employment (ie, (5-4.6)/4.6) vs 8.5% worse for blacks (ie (9-8.3)/8.3).

Sure, I'm sure you can play with the numbers to give it the spin you want, and I can spin them the other way.

But it's pretty difficult to argue that it is significantly worse now than it was before.

[1] http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/race-and-ethnicity/archive/r...

Re:The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan by kolinko on Friday October 14, 2016 @03:40AM (#12706626)
Do you understand the difference between speed and acceleration?
Re:The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan by hvmonk on Thursday October 13, 2016 @04:39PM (#12703848)
Fake promises, and dreams.